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[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

No question there were some questionable moves made but at the same time, it's pretty clear that Shanny isn't afraid to admit and rectify mistakes along the way. Case in point, he cut LJ, cut Willie Parker, cut Galloway, suspended Haynesworth, ultimately benched McNabb and started playing younger players. Then in the draft rather than go for the flashy pick in Gabbert he traded back and back and back to pick 12 players. Rather than focusing on the problems, look at the progress.

As for McNabb/Kyle, it was oil and water from the beginning. There was a dramatic difference in offensive efficiency starting in the 2nd half of the Cowboys game, thru the Jacksonville game and the Giants game. Human Turnover Machine Rex was pretty loose with the ball but from the standpoint of the offense 'working', I have no questions that Kyle is the right guy. McNabb was simply the wrong guy for the job in the offense. It cost us a 2nd round pick in '10 (I don't count the '11 pick since we recouped it) and we move on.

I anticipated us trading back several times in the draft. That should have come as no surprise when you consider how they accumulated picks the previous year in the late rounds of the draft.

It's relatively easy to admit fault when it's already public knowledge that the fault belongs to you. Much more difficult to have the foresight to avoid a precarious situation before it blows up in your face. It wasn't a noble act for Shanny to create all that cryptic subterfuge after the first McNabb benching. LJ, Galloway and Parker never should have been on the team in the first place and this was my contension during last offseason. Sorry I don't have written proof to confirm that this is true, but you'll have to take my word for it. If a layman like me can make that distinction shouldn't the head coach be able to do the same. I'm not trying to boast. I'm just being honest.

I don't doubt Kyle's ability as an offensive coordinator, however I'm not convinced McNabb got a fair shake either.

As far as Grossman is concerned, the guy has done nothing meritorious in this league. Even in his best year he threw equally as many interceptions as he did TDs in an offense heavily predictated on the run. If you can't avoid throwing interceptions when you're consistently staring at 8 man fronts there is something inherently wrong with your game. Then again I believe we never should have traded JC, but that's just me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I anticipated us trading back several times in the draft. That should have come as no surprise when you consider how they accumulated picks the previous year in the late rounds of the draft.

It's relatively easy to admit fault when it's already public knowledge that the fault belongs to you. Much more difficult to have the foresight to avoid a precarious situation before it blows up in your face. It wasn't a noble act for Shanny to create all that cryptic subterfuge after the first McNabb benching. LJ, Galloway and Parker never should have been on the team in the first place and this was my contension during last offseason. Sorry I don't have written proof to confirm that this is true, but you'll have to take my word for it. If a layman like me can make that distinction shouldn't the head coach be able to do the same. I'm not trying to boast. I'm just being honest.

I don't doubt Kyle's ability as an offensive coordinator, however I'm not convinced McNabb got a fair shake either.

As far as Grossman is concerned, the guy has done nothing meritorious in this league. Even in his best year he threw equally as many interceptions as he did TDs in an offense heavily predictated on the run. If you can't avoid throwing interceptions when you're consistently staring at 8 man fronts there is something inherently wrong with your game. Then again I believe we never should have traded JC, but that's just me.

Actually he threw 23 TD vs 20 INT

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Actually he threw 23 TD vs 20 INT

You're right. I suppose I could have been perfectly concise by going to NFL.com and looking up the precise stats, but 3 more TDs than ints doesn't really discredit the point.

[SBXVII]

Well in 2010 Matt Schuab had 24 TD's and 12 INT. Is it the style of offense and QB taking chances or is it just the QB?

[MTK]

I hear ya, but that was 5 years ago and he's now in a much more QB friendly offense. He threw 7 TD vs 4 INT last year in just 3 starts. A much better ratio.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I hear ya, but that was 5 years ago and he's now in a much more QB friendly offense. He threw 7 TD vs 4 INT last year in just 3 starts. A much better ratio.

If you veiw it in those terms that's true. But I find it difficult to extrapolate playing 4 times as many games based on the result of 3. Reversing the ratio would make it easier to define. If he had played 12 games you could average out last 3 or 4. I don't know if it really works the other way around.

[Ruhskins]

I just saw this posted by Kelli Johnson on Twitter, given the current discussion I was curious to hear what people thought about it:

"Let me say this.. I like Kyle, I like McNabb..What I don't like is the redkins looking for another scapegoat after they make another bad decision. They knew what they were getting in McNabb(he has 12 years of tape) So if he's not a good fit, don't trade for him! I'm done."

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I just saw this posted by Kelli Johnson on Twitter, given the current discussion I was curious to hear what people thought about it:

"Let me say this.. I like Kyle, I like McNabb..What I don't like is the redkins looking for another scapegoat after they make another bad decision. They knew what they were getting in McNabb(he has 12 years of tape) So if he's not a good fit, don't trade for him! I'm done."

Kelli Johnson for GM!

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I just saw this posted by Kelli Johnson on Twitter, given the current discussion I was curious to hear what people thought about it:

"Let me say this.. I like Kyle, I like McNabb..What I don't like is the redkins looking for another scapegoat after they make another bad decision. They knew what they were getting in McNabb(he has 12 years of tape) So if he's not a good fit, don't trade for him! I'm done."

The lovely Kelli Johnson hit the nail on the head.

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I just saw this posted by Kelli Johnson on Twitter, given the current discussion I was curious to hear what people thought about it:

"Let me say this.. I like Kyle, I like McNabb..What I don't like is the redkins looking for another scapegoat after they make another bad decision. They knew what they were getting in McNabb(he has 12 years of tape) So if he's not a good fit, don't trade for him! I'm done."

I don't they're scapegoating McNabb. They were looking for one guy and got another. It goes beyond the play on the field. It was the work ethic and the lack of dedication to his craft beyond the scenes. If you look at the tape, I'm willing to bet Shanahan thought he could help him fix some of his probems.

When you're trying to rebuild a team and trying to change the culture, and you're having a very public spat with another player over their laziness, it doesn't help when your supposed quarterback also has those issues.

It's not the player. I think they could've worked with the player. It was the guy. That's where the real problem came in.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

I don't they're scapegoating McNabb. They were looking for one guy and got another. It goes beyond the play on the field. It was the work ethic and the lack of dedication to his craft beyond the scenes. If you look at the tape, I'm willing to bet Shanahan thought he could help him fix some of his probems.

When you're trying to rebuild a team and trying to change the culture, and you're having a very public spat with another player over their laziness, it doesn't help when your supposed quarterback also has those issues.

It's not the player. I think they could've worked with the player. It was the guy. That's where the real problem came in.

They are publicly blame shifting. Turning the focus from a poor system/player/personality evaluation to McNabb not wanting to wear a wristband, or McNabb not practicing with great urgency. If Shany would accept his portion of the blame I would consider it reciprocal fault, but he hasn't for the sake of maintaining appearences. Sounds like scapegoating to me.

Either that or Shanahan simply can't admit to himself, because of his own egocetricities, that he made a mistake.

If they wouldn't have publicly leaked this information his image would have remainded relatively untarnished and so would McNabb's. I think the fact that it came to light actually does more harm them good to Mike's image and to DMs stock. The fact that he couldn't motivate a guy that is obviously respected league wide indicates that he isn't as great of a leader of men as we initially thought.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

They are publicly blame shifting. Turning the focus from a poor system/player/personality evaluation to McNabb not wanting to wear a wristband, or McNabb not practicing with great urgency. If Shany would accept his portion of the blame I would consider it reciprocal fault, but he hasn't for the sake of maintaining appearences. Sounds like scapegoating to me.

Either that or Shanahan simply can't admit to himself, because of his own egocetricities, that he made a mistake.

If they wouldn't have publicly leaked this information his image would have remainded relatively untarnished and so would McNabb's. I think the fact that it came to light actually does more harm them good to Mike's image and to DMs stock. The fact that he couldn't motivate a guy that is obviously respected league wide indicates that he isn't as great of a leader of men as we initially thought.

Sorry for being late to the party but .... I don't see it as shifting blame, it's simply more information coming out. They came out and said this is why we benched him, then some how the wrist band incident came out, I'd guess there might have been maybe a couple of other issue's that we fans just don't know about. We fans need to stop making excuses for McNabb and look at the whole picture. McNabb did have all these issue's. Heck, some of us here were against the team picking up McNabb and some of us pointed out flaws we were concerned with him and they showed up on the field, ie; he's no longer the elusive QB he used to be due to his knees, he has no sense of urgency, he has no clock management for the 2 min. drill, etc. etc. These qualities are not the type MS or KS needed to run their scheme.

I won't put all the blame on McNabb though our OL sucked, only 1 WR, terrible run blocking.....

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Sorry for being late to the party but .... I don't see it as shifting blame, it's simply more information coming out. They came out and said this is why we benched him, then some how the wrist band incident came out, I'd guess there might have been maybe a couple of other issue's that we fans just don't know about. We fans need to stop making excuses for McNabb and look at the whole picture. McNabb did have all these issue's. Heck, some of us here were against the team picking up McNabb and some of us pointed out flaws we were concerned with him and they showed up on the field, ie; he's no longer the elusive QB he used to be due to his knees, he has no sense of urgency, he has no clock management for the 2 min. drill, etc. etc. These qualities are not the type MS or KS needed to run their scheme.

I won't put all the blame on McNabb though our OL sucked, only 1 WR, terrible run blocking.....

I don't feel like I'm making excuses for McNabb. I've addressed the topic in previous posts. Saying I don't think McNabb is blameless in this senario. Even in my post that you quoted I go on to use the phrase "reciprocal fault", meaning that I feel both parties shoulder a portion of the responsibility for the maladriot fashion in which our offense functioned. However, I don't consider it an honorable move to deride and defame McNabb in the mainstream media, regardless of who it was who actually leaked the information. The way I percieve it, it's an underhanded tactic used to distort a well rounded focus on all the contributing factors in our poor offensive production, to shifting the blame to a single man. It's fine if you don't see it that way. You're entitled to your perspective.

I still contend that McNabb is the best QB on our roster. Just like I believed Campbell was the best QB on our roster before we traded for McNabb. Where's JC now, sweeping divisions on the west coast in his first season. Granted it's not as dominant of a division, but they still face the Chargers twice a season. A team that last year was top 10 in both passing offense and defense. No small feat. Do I know what the future holds for Beck or Grossman in this offense, no. But if it comes down to either of them playing starting QB for the Redskins, I'll be right there hoping for both prosperity and success. All I'm doing is stating what is currently an irrefutable fact. McNabb is the best QB on our roster.

[MTK]

Hard to "scapegoat" a guy that simply didn't play all that well and wasn't a great fit in this offense. Lesson learned hopefully everyone can move on.

[NLC1054]

I have a hard time believing that Mike and the organization would leak anything to disparage McNabb.

What does Mike have to gain by tarnishing McNabb's image? McNabb already has a nye-untradeable contract, but with teams panicky about the lockout and getting a veteran quarterback, some team might be desperate enough to cough up a few mid-round draft picks for him. It certainly doesn't help McNabb's trade value to leak anything to the press.

Nor has Mike Shanahan ever come out publicly and bashed McNabb, and neither has Kyle for that matter. Everything we know about the situation has come from unnamed sources and what little the players have been willing to reveal about the situation. Mike Shanahan has commended McNabb's professionalism on numerous occasions.

And in a press conference (probably the season ending one), he did come out and say, as it pertained to McNabb's situation, that he wish he'd been more honest about the whole thing.

And the idea that Mike isn't a leader is kind of insulting to him. He did when two Super Bowls as a head coach, and I know he had John Elway, but let's not forget, Elway lost three Super Bowls before him. He had Terrell Davis, but TD was a sixth round draft pick. He's taken medicore quarterbacks and gotten to the playoffs. John Elway and Steve Young have both credited him with their success and their ability to win Super Bowls.

The guys here now clearly buy in, otherwise you wouldn't have such great player turnouts at this workouts. The players who didn't buy in will be gone. Accountability has returned to Redskins Park. He's managed to keep Dan Snyder out of Redskins Park in his offense.

I mean...think about this. Was anyone in Philly upset that he was leaving? I mean his teammates. Did anyone speak out against it? Did any players that mattered step and say "this is a bad move by Andy Reid and the organization". When Donovan came back to Philly in Week 5, the Eagles barely seemed phased by all the "revenge game" hype. No one seemed to be affected. They also stayed noticeably mum during both benching fiascos.

And out of that lockerroom, all the rumors that have come out about Donovan's lack of work habits, his lack of conditioning, his attitude...this is all stuff that played out in Philly. It just didn't explode the way it did here.

But Donovan, time and time and time again, gets the benefit of the doubt over his fellow players and his coaches.

I think what we're seeing now says more about Donovan than it does about Mike, or Kyle, or anyone in the front office. To paraphrase Katt Williams, no one says something about you for fifteen years if there's not some part of it that's true.