kipers first mock draft

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-19-2005, 11:39 AM

The more we talk about it, the more I'm reinforcing my most recent notion that pretty much the skill positions should go unchanged. MAYBE a bargain signing later in the year and have that person compete for 1st string.

I mean if we would have scored 23 more points, someone said we would have been 14-2 and at least a few of those points should have been scored by Brunell. I say maybe pick up a DE in the draft and a great center in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Then maybe see what FA are available for a bargain and let them sort it out in camp.

celts32 · 01-19-2005, 02:11 PM

We can't assume the same dominant performance by the defense next year. They have no where to go but down. Hopefully, they remain a top 10 defense. Either way the Redskins need big offensive improvement next season and bringing back the skill positions unchanged would be risky. Not big changes, but at least 1 new WR.

MTK · 01-19-2005, 02:35 PM

True we can't assume the D will be dominant again, but considering the fact we had the #3 defense with a bunch of key guys out like Arrington, Daniels, Bowen, etc., you have to believe with the D at full strength they should be able to pull off a similar performance.

SKINSnCANES · 01-19-2005, 03:10 PM

I dont assume we are going to have a dominant defense again, but becuase of our offense not our defense. I think part of why we had a great d is the same reason we had a great d under marvin lewis. Ranking are based solely on yards giving up, with all the turnovers we had early, and our lack of being able to move the ball, the other teams never had to go very far.

We were great at stopping the run, and i do think Williams is a great coach, but if you look at games that our offense acutally scored, our defense gave up a ton of yards, becuase the other teams were playing from behind. Look at the vikings game, culpepper had 300 yards passing. Teams dont need a lot of yards when they are beating us.

I obvioulsy hope our offense pulls it otgether, but i think we need our keys guys to come back, add an end, mabye another dt, and corner, to maintain what we did this year.

drew54 · 01-19-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay.

eBay, are you kidding me! That is the funniest thing I have seen in a while.

CrazyCanuck · 01-19-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Listen guys...rookie WRs are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Most(read:98%) have no first year impact and the 2% that do are on absolutely deprived teams like the Lions with Williams or the Cards with Bouldin last year. If we draft a WR he will not be the first option and probably wont have much of an impact. This is a team built for now and I can't see the Skins drafting a WR who most likely wouldn't contribute immediately when they can get a WR in Free Agency or by trade that could help now. I really think drafting a WR is a bad call for us. I'd much prefer to trade down and get a quality DL and a pick which we could use on a center. At 9 we're not going to get an impact player ala Taylor this year but we could get a DE with some pass rushing skills and a center bigger than Ramsey.

I AGREE. Thanks for summing it up perfectly.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-19-2005, 05:17 PM

drew54, I aim to please.

And if you want to hear something even MORE hilarious... sit down my children.

I know this is completely off-topic, but if anyone remembers wrestling and remembers the old DX, I'm sure you remember Road Dogg.

Maybe a couple of months after Road Dogg was laid off from the WWF he actually AUCTIONED an hour of his time on eBay and honestly the price was about 300 bucks at the end of the auction.

I can see it now with Road Dogg showing up at a kid's birthday party with a boombox OR having some fat gay guy buy his "time."

SkinsRock · 01-20-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I dont assume we are going to have a dominant defense again, but becuase of our offense not our defense. I think part of why we had a great d is the same reason we had a great d under marvin lewis. Ranking are based solely on yards giving up, with all the turnovers we had early, and our lack of being able to move the ball, the other teams never had to go very far.

We were great at stopping the run, and i do think Williams is a great coach, but if you look at games that our offense acutally scored, our defense gave up a ton of yards, becuase the other teams were playing from behind. Look at the vikings game, culpepper had 300 yards passing. Teams dont need a lot of yards when they are beating us.

I obvioulsy hope our offense pulls it otgether, but i think we need our keys guys to come back, add an end, mabye another dt, and corner, to maintain what we did this year.

I agree with your basic point to an extent, but in defense of our D (no pun intended), they were also 5th in scoring defense, which I believe goes by how many points the team gives up, not just the defense. So if you account for the amount of points the offense gave up, especially early on, they would have been better in that category if the offense didn't blow....not to mention that we would have won a couple more close games.

shallyshal · 01-20-2005, 10:49 PM

pullleeeeze... no more michigan receivers...

williams might be another plexico or keyshawn. if we have to take a receiver, he is the pick
better to trade down and pick up an extra second and/or third rounder to use on a receiver while using the first rounder for a player like baas or elton brown

offiss · 01-21-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shallyshal

pullleeeeze... no more michigan receivers...

williams might be another plexico or keyshawn. if we have to take a receiver, he is the pick
better to trade down and pick up an extra second and/or third rounder to use on a receiver while using the first rounder for a player like baas or elton brown

I havent seen Edward's yet but I tend to agree with you SS William's will be a valued pick one way or the other, he's bigger and stronger than both Keyshawn and Burress, and he has better hand's by far than either one of them, regardless of his speed he will just cause nightmare matchup's for any secondary we face, he will be a WR that you can basically throw the ball up for grab's and he will come down with it most of the time, just because you don't run a 4.3 doesn't mean you can't get open, he has a chance to be a dominant force on the NFL level can we say that about the other's?

skinsfanthru&thru · 01-22-2005, 10:04 PM

this doesn't have to do with our 1st round pick but I was wondering what people would think about drafting the Navy FB Eckel with our 6th or 7th round pick? I was watching the Hula bowl and they were talking about him and I think he'd be an awesomely cheap short yardage back that we desperately needed this past season.

Daseal · 01-22-2005, 11:12 PM

Okay, this is kind of silly, but are the army/navy guys draftable? Don't they have x amount of years of service to do after they finish the academy? Just wondering!

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 01-23-2005, 01:31 PM

i think if gibbs can take an impact player like williams,he will.

01-19-2005, 11:39 AM	#31
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	The more we talk about it, the more I'm reinforcing my most recent notion that pretty much the skill positions should go unchanged. MAYBE a bargain signing later in the year and have that person compete for 1st string. I mean if we would have scored 23 more points, someone said we would have been 14-2 and at least a few of those points should have been scored by Brunell. I say maybe pick up a DE in the draft and a great center in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Then maybe see what FA are available for a bargain and let them sort it out in camp. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-19-2005, 03:10 PM	#34
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	I dont assume we are going to have a dominant defense again, but becuase of our offense not our defense. I think part of why we had a great d is the same reason we had a great d under marvin lewis. Ranking are based solely on yards giving up, with all the turnovers we had early, and our lack of being able to move the ball, the other teams never had to go very far. We were great at stopping the run, and i do think Williams is a great coach, but if you look at games that our offense acutally scored, our defense gave up a ton of yards, becuase the other teams were playing from behind. Look at the vikings game, culpepper had 300 yards passing. Teams dont need a lot of yards when they are beating us. I obvioulsy hope our offense pulls it otgether, but i think we need our keys guys to come back, add an end, mabye another dt, and corner, to maintain what we did this year. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

01-19-2005, 05:17 PM	#37
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	drew54, I aim to please. And if you want to hear something even MORE hilarious... sit down my children. I know this is completely off-topic, but if anyone remembers wrestling and remembers the old DX, I'm sure you remember Road Dogg. Maybe a couple of months after Road Dogg was laid off from the WWF he actually AUCTIONED an hour of his time on eBay and honestly the price was about 300 bucks at the end of the auction. I can see it now with Road Dogg showing up at a kid's birthday party with a boombox OR having some fat gay guy buy his "time." __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-23-2005, 01:31 PM	#43
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 62 Posts: 289	i think if gibbs can take an impact player like williams,he will. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

01-19-2005, 02:11 PM	#32
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	We can't assume the same dominant performance by the defense next year. They have no where to go but down. Hopefully, they remain a top 10 defense. Either way the Redskins need big offensive improvement next season and bringing back the skill positions unchanged would be risky. Not big changes, but at least 1 new WR.

01-19-2005, 02:35 PM	#33
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	True we can't assume the D will be dominant again, but considering the fact we had the #3 defense with a bunch of key guys out like Arrington, Daniels, Bowen, etc., you have to believe with the D at full strength they should be able to pull off a similar performance.

01-20-2005, 10:49 PM	#39
shallyshal Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 336	pullleeeeze... no more michigan receivers... williams might be another plexico or keyshawn. if we have to take a receiver, he is the pick better to trade down and pick up an extra second and/or third rounder to use on a receiver while using the first rounder for a player like baas or elton brown

01-22-2005, 10:04 PM	#41
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	this doesn't have to do with our 1st round pick but I was wondering what people would think about drafting the Navy FB Eckel with our 6th or 7th round pick? I was watching the Hula bowl and they were talking about him and I think he'd be an awesomely cheap short yardage back that we desperately needed this past season.

01-22-2005, 11:12 PM	#42
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Okay, this is kind of silly, but are the army/navy guys draftable? Don't they have x amount of years of service to do after they finish the academy? Just wondering!

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