Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I really like this comment. While everyone likes to bag on KS's playcalling, you do have to realize that he has kept the offenses head above water, and out of the bottom half of the league in alot of the rankings and barometers with an awful, just AWFUL OLine and wide receivers, not to mention the absolutely ATROCIOUS John Beck and Rex "Gross, Man...." I think with the talent we have added at QB, WR and plus another year in the system for our youngsters, a healthy OLine and a chip on Fred Davis' shoulder to show he is the real deal instead of screwing it up, expectations for KS SHOULD be high, and I for one really think that our offense will light it up in comparison to the years of the past, ie not being able to break 20 points in a season. I can almost guarantee that if RG3 stays healthy, that we will have more games above 20 points than below. Just thinking back two years ago, look how much he did with so utterly little talent on this squad. I mean, Rabach, our pen of old washed up WR's, Grossman, a broken cooley, Moss injured and not 100%, rookie runningbacks and a castoff from the Arizona Cardinals (their 2nd or 3rd stringer................

Kyle will prove his worth this year, and I for one am ready to sit down and watch the fireworks!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd have to agree with you.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by backrow

So, does that put the B&G at 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6? Or just one more win than last year? And speaking of wins, how about our record against NFCE opponents? Remember, you're half full of it, I mean your glass is half full!

I think realistic expectations should be around 8-8

W/L vs NFCE?

1-1 against NYG
2-0 Vs Dallas
0-2 Vs Philly ( I think the Eagles will be very good this year)

[30gut]

I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense

(2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack

Category (1)

avg: 598 atts (IIRC would be a NFL record for a rookie)
avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets)
avg: 58.1 comp %
avg: 3.35 TD %
avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense)

pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs


(W-L) 7-9

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense

(2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack

Category (1)

avg: 598 atts
avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets)
avg: 58.1 comp %
avg: 3.35 TD %
avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense)

pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs


(W-L) 7-9

what about W/L vs NFCE?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense...
pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

598 attempts
4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs

(W-L) 7-9

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense...

I forgot to factor in Griffin's rushing which changes the numbers for me.
Some possible pass attempts/incompletions/completion will become successful rushing yards.
Which lower his pass yards but raise his comp % and lower his int %.
And Griffin's playmaking could result in a few more TDs.


543 atts---(598 atts avg - 55 imprv(15 call) rushing attempts)
347~(ish) comp--- (some completions will also turn into runs)
455 rush yards--(70 attempts @ 6.5 ypc)
4,072 pass yards
61 comp %
23 TDs
15 INT

3-3 NFC East
7-9 Overall

[JPPT1974]

He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. And that he seems smart not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well. Not just as a player but as a person it seems.

[Lotus]

Offense 21 PPG
record: 9-7
3-3 NFCE

Gryphon:
59% comp.
6.9 YPA
2850 yards
24 TD
14 INT
550 rushing yards

Garcon 75-1150-7
Morgan 70-950-4
Moss 65-90-3
Davis 80-980-7

Running back by committee:
2200 yards - 15 TD
leading rusher: Helu
most TDs: Royster

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Offense 21 PPG
record: 9-7
3-3 NFCE

Gryphon:
59% comp.
6.9 YPA
2850 yards
24 TD
14 INT
550 rushing yards

Garcon 75-1150-7
Morgan 70-950-4
Moss 65-90-3
Davis 80-980-7

Running back by committee:
2200 yards - 15 TD
leading rusher: Helu
most TDs: Royster

Are these assuming someone other than Griffin is throwing passes at some point? Otherwise, the mathz don't seem right.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Are these assuming someone other than Griffin is throwing passes at some point? Otherwise, the mathz don't seem right.

Nope, just guessing. I did math with TD's but forgot math with receiving yards. Given your helpful comment, I would shave 75-100 yards from everyone I listed and then things work out better.

[30gut]

^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense.

Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th)
If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL.

I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense.

Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th)
If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL.

I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?

Passing yards because Gryphon is a rookie.

As far as the "paradigm shift," I don't see it that way as much as I am just accounting for the fact that Griff will add yards on the ground that Wrecks/Beck did not.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Passing yards because Gryphon is a rookie.

As far as the "paradigm shift," I don't see it that way as much as I am just accounting for the fact that Griff will add yards on the ground that Wrecks/Beck did not.

Gotcha, I keep forgeting to factor in Griffin's rush yards.

I thought you meant 2200 from the running backs alone and then looking at your passing yards total of 2,850 yards got me thinking.
This offense has averaged 598 passing attempts the past 2 seasons.
The only way I can see Griff's passing yards total under 3,000 yards is a drastic decrease in passing attempts.
3,000 @ 7.0 YPA = 428 passing attempts which would be a 169 attempts decrease; hence my thinking paradigm shift.

If Kyle avg 598 avg. passing attempts w/ McNabb (A QB he didn't get along with) and Rex/Becks (2 QBs that can't play) then even though Griff is a rook, I can't imagine the passing attempts would drop that much.
Griffin will be the most talented QB Kyle's ever had.

And yes, I'm proly over thinking it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Gotcha, I keep forgeting to factor in Griffin's rush yards.

I thought you meant 2200 from the running backs alone and then looking at your passing yards total of 2,850 yards got me thinking.
This offense has averaged 598 passing attempts the past 2 seasons.
The only way I can see Griff's passing yards total under 3,000 yards is a drastic decrease in passing attempts.
3,000 @ 7.0 YPA = 428 passing attempts which would be a 169 attempts decrease; hence my thinking paradigm shift.

If Kyle avg 598 avg. passing attempts w/ McNabb (A QB he didn't get along with) and Rex/Becks (2 QBs that can't play) then even though Griff is a rook, I can't imagine the passing attempts would drop that much.
Griffin will be the most talented QB Kyle's ever had.

And yes, I'm proly over thinking it.

To me you are not overthinking it. I'm with you - I don't see passing attempts decreasing with a Heisman winner under center. And maybe you are right and I am conservative regarding 10's passing yards. It is hard to know what a rookie will do when he has not yet taken an NFL snap in public.

[SmootSmack]

Never good at stats predictions but

RG3-22 TDs 13 INTs (4 of the TDs will be rushing TDs)

Leading Rusher (carries): Hightower

Leading Rusher (yards): Royster

Leading Rusher (TDs): Royster

Leading Receiver (receptions): Fred Davis/Garcon (tied)

Leading Receiver (yards): Hankerson

Leading Receiver (TDs): Hankerson

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Never good at stats predictions but

RG3-22 TDs 13 INTs (4 of the TDs will be rushing TDs)

Leading Rusher (carries): Hightower

Leading Rusher (yards): Royster

Leading Rusher (TDs): Royster

Leading Receiver (receptions): Fred Davis/Garcon (tied)

Leading Receiver (yards): Hankerson

Leading Receiver (TDs): Hankerson

Using your template,

RG3 - 20 TD 11 Ints, 3 rushing TDs

Leading Rusher (yards and carries)- Royster

Leading Rushing TD- Hightower

Leading Receiver (recept and yards) - Garcon

Leading Receiver (TDs): Davis

Best O-Lineman: Silverblunt

Best Offensive Rookie not named RG3: Tom Compton