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Paintrain · 03-08-2005, 03:14 PM

Coles is coming across as a whiny little b*tch.. "I didn't sign up for this"? If you are getting paid MILLIONS to play football, you are to do what the coach tells you to do. Hell, if you are in Pop Warner and the coach tells you to do something, you do it. If the coach wants to run 45 times and you are expected to block, BLOCK! I haven't seen any NFL contracts but I highly doubt that in Coles contract it says "downfield threat" "vertical receiver" or "passes over 15 yards receiver". He is paid to play the game. Chris Samuels didn't like Spurrier's BS protection schemes but you didn't see him asking to be released. Ramsey didn't "sign up" for getting his dick knocked into the dirt for 2 years under Spurrier and then have to take the job from aincient Mark Brunell, but he still showed up to work every day and didn't ask to be released.

From a credibility angle, let's see, Gibbs, devout Christian, Hall of Famer, leader of winning Super Bowl teams and NASCAR teams, universally respected throughout the sports world.. Coles, thrown out of FSU and off the team, won't acknoledge FSU because he feels like they treated him badly (sound familiar?), took shots at the Jets when he was signed by the Redskins, 90 catches (3rd in the NFL I beleive) and feels underutilized.. Hmm, advantage Gibbs. BTW, Gardner always seemed like he was unhappy anyway, I never heard or saw of him being a positive influence at all.

As quick as some of us were to praise Gibbs and think he would automatically put us back on the playoff map, some of us are ready to write him off after one year because Coles and Gardner were unhappy. If Gibbs didn't acknowledge that the offense didn't work almost IMMEDIATELY after the season I would be a bit more critical, but geez, give the guy an ounce of credit for knowing what he is doing..

RedskinRat · 03-08-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Does anyone around here think for maybe one second that it's possible that Gibss KNEW WE SUCKED ON OFFENSE? I mean half of you all act like he didn't even realize it. HE KNEW. HE KNEW. HE KNEW. I think it is far more plausible that there were deeper talent issues that we don't realize. Football is not that different than it was 15 years ago. You don't go from being a offensive genius to a crappy play caller. We had talent problems. We had injuries. We had line issues. WE HAD A GREAT DEFENSE THAT COULD WIN US GAMES. They played in conservative because they thoguht it the best chance to win. If Joe Gibbs had stroke tomorrow and lost half his football IQ I would still listen to him about how to win a football game long before I would listen to Coles. Or just about anyone else for that matter.

Nail. Head. Hit.

diehardskin2982 · 03-08-2005, 03:19 PM

I agree with you to a certaint extent daseal, I think that it was a frustrating year for anybody who had anything to do with the team last year. We had the potiental to be superbowl contenders. We had more weapons on offense than most teams in the NFL, and the #1 defense in the NFC. We had no reason to be as badd as we were period.

No matter how good gibbs was in the past, he had major rust in his first year back. Imagine how good we would of been with spurrier as the head coach with the same supporting cast of coaches to help advice him... I think we would have been very good personaly. We would of keep Ramsey as the #1 in the dept chart, no brunnell. Portis was everything that he wanted in Canidate, and we would have threw the ball deep.

I do disagree with his statement of coach not being reasonable... Have any of you ever played football? You know when your in the huddle as a player and you've been struggling on offense all day and you still got that one player who says all the time "throw the ball to me deep, I score!" but when you look at the game tape later on he's dropping madd balls and not blocking at all, just all around fuckin up in general. I think thats how the coaching staff and team felt about the passing game qb and recievrs in general.
Tell me are you gonna listen to that guy telling what to run? Hell No! When portis got over 100 yards we won, when coles got over a 100 yards passing we still might have lost, so as coach who r u gonna listen to? I think he had more trust in Cooley than any of the wideouts, coach listened to the guys who gave him results.
Gibbs may of been wrong in doing that, but we will be better next year, coach may realize later he made a mistake during this last season, but what will he do when he realizes the mistake he made, change or stay the same?

Daseal · 03-08-2005, 03:19 PM

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Ramsey didn't "sign up" for getting his dick knocked into the dirt for 2 years under Spurrier and then have to take the job from aincient Mark Brunell, but he still showed up to work every day and didn't ask to be released.

He asked to be traded.

Redskins_P · 03-08-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

He may not have signed up for a run-oriented offense, but he did sign up for a $13 million signing bonus - which he received in full.

As for whether he was being selfish or not, let's look at the quote again. "People say we're leaving now because we're selfish, but how are you supposed to be happy as a receiver when you go from a passing offense to a running offense? This wasn't what I signed up for."
I think Costanza and Seinfeld spelled it out best.
George: "Why can't there be some things just for me? Is that so selfish?"
Jerry: "Actually, that's the definition of selfish."

thank you, thank you, thank you.

Redskins_P · 03-08-2005, 03:23 PM

Ramsey and Coles are two totally different situations. Ramsey wanted out because he felt like he was the starter and then we went of and paid Brunell like he was the next coming of John Elway.

Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

Paintrain · 03-08-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

He asked to be traded.

Actually he said he wasn't happy with having to compete with Brunell, his agent requested the trade. Ramsey said after he met with Gibbs that he didn't want to be traded at any point, he just wanted to know he had a fair chance at the job.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I agree with you to a certaint extent daseal, I think that it was a frustrating year for anybody who had anything to do with the team last year. We had the potiental to be superbowl contenders. We had more weapons on offense than most teams in the NFL, and the #1 defense in the NFC. We had no reason to be as badd as we were period.

Superbowl contenders?! Excuse my rudeness but are you out of your mind? We had average line play due to injuries. Our #1 WR coudln't do what he was supposed to be able to do. Our pro bowl level RB couldn't run in the system we had. Our QB play was atrocious to at best average in any given week. And as far as I know before the season not one reputable analyst even gave a second thought to the SKins and the superbowl. At most we were a playoff team in their minds. Was it possible to make the Superbowl with the team we had. We'll never know but I suspect we could have without injuries. But a contender? Not in any reasonable sense of the word.

Paintrain · 03-08-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Ramsey and Coles are two totally different situations. Ramsey wanted out because he felt like he was the starter and then we went of and paid Brunell like he was the next coming of John Elway.

Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

Exactly.. It's not like they went out and got someone to replace Coles.. He was still going to be the #1 receiver regardless so that just makes him look all the more selfish..

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Originally Posted by Brud Lee

I think Costanza and Seinfeld spelled it out best.
George: "Why can't there be some things just for me? Is that so selfish?"
Jerry: "Actually, that's the definition of selfish."

Maybe Coles got tossed from FSU before vocabulary class.

SkinsRock · 03-08-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

Agreed.
Ummm....90 catches, third in the league....I'd say he was the go-to-guy and he got the ball plenty! If you mean the go-to-guy as opposed to Portis, don't the Jets have some guy named Martin that their offense is built around???

56FAN · 03-08-2005, 03:41 PM

I Really Thought He Had Changed From His Earlier Years, But Coles Still Seems To Be Suckin That Ol Thumb. Gibbs Is Just A Man And Is Not Perfect, But He Is A Better Person. Coles Show's His True Color's By Running His Mouth Like A Baby. Snyder Was Justified For His Anger . It's Just Better That He's Gone. He Was A Cancer.

diehardskin2982 · 03-08-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Superbowl contenders?! Excuse my rudeness but are you out of your mind?

I can name at least three magazines before the start of last season that had us going to the playoffs and possibly taking the eagles out at the beginning of last season before Jansen was lost.we were excellent on paper. That injury killed the season. but we had very high expectations comming into last season. Any team can when on any given sunday. You can't tell me that if the offense could even halfway meet the play of the defense last season that we couldn't have went far into the playoffs. We had a better defense than the eagles and we had a better running back as well. Hell our total supporting cast around the qb was better than the eagles! but they couldn't get it done when it counted.

RedskinRat · 03-08-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

we were excellent on paper.

We're ALWAYS excellent on paper. we play on turf, so it doesn't translate, ever. I'd take a really horrible off season, dreadful pre-season and a great season followed by a perfect post-season, thanks.

Paintrain · 03-08-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

We had a better defense than the eagles and we had a better running back as well. Hell our total supporting cast around the qb was better than the eagles! but they couldn't get it done when it counted.

If our offense matched our defense we should have made the playoffs, but not the Super Bowl.. Our supporting cast was not as good as the Eagles, sorry.. Chad Lewis and LJ Smith are better than any TE/H-Back on our roster. T.O. is ten times the WR than anyone on our roster as well and McNabb is leaps and bounds better than our QBs.. With a good offense we could have been 10-6, 11-5, but Super Bowl, I don't think so.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I can name at least three magazines before the start of last season that had us going to the playoffs and possibly taking the eagles out at the beginning of last season before Jansen was lost.we were excellent on paper. That injury killed the season. but we had very high expectations comming into last season. Any team can when on any given sunday. You can't tell me that if the offense could even halfway meet the play of the defense last season that we couldn't have went far into the playoffs. We had a better defense than the eagles and we had a better running back as well. Hell our total supporting cast around the qb was better than the eagles! but they couldn't get it done when it counted.

Name 'em...

And if you do..I don't care what was said before the season really. What does matter is what could have reasonable been expected of this season given what we know. We know they had issues. From top to bottom. But there is no way this team was winning or contending for the super bowl last year. There just wasn't. I don't care who the coach was.

03-08-2005, 03:14 PM	#31
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: I can't wait to hear the other side... Coles is coming across as a whiny little b*tch.. "I didn't sign up for this"? If you are getting paid MILLIONS to play football, you are to do what the coach tells you to do. Hell, if you are in Pop Warner and the coach tells you to do something, you do it. If the coach wants to run 45 times and you are expected to block, BLOCK! I haven't seen any NFL contracts but I highly doubt that in Coles contract it says "downfield threat" "vertical receiver" or "passes over 15 yards receiver". He is paid to play the game. Chris Samuels didn't like Spurrier's BS protection schemes but you didn't see him asking to be released. Ramsey didn't "sign up" for getting his dick knocked into the dirt for 2 years under Spurrier and then have to take the job from aincient Mark Brunell, but he still showed up to work every day and didn't ask to be released. From a credibility angle, let's see, Gibbs, devout Christian, Hall of Famer, leader of winning Super Bowl teams and NASCAR teams, universally respected throughout the sports world.. Coles, thrown out of FSU and off the team, won't acknoledge FSU because he feels like they treated him badly (sound familiar?), took shots at the Jets when he was signed by the Redskins, 90 catches (3rd in the NFL I beleive) and feels underutilized.. Hmm, advantage Gibbs. BTW, Gardner always seemed like he was unhappy anyway, I never heard or saw of him being a positive influence at all. As quick as some of us were to praise Gibbs and think he would automatically put us back on the playoff map, some of us are ready to write him off after one year because Coles and Gardner were unhappy. If Gibbs didn't acknowledge that the offense didn't work almost IMMEDIATELY after the season I would be a bit more critical, but geez, give the guy an ounce of credit for knowing what he is doing..

03-08-2005, 03:19 PM	#33
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: I can't wait to hear the other side... I agree with you to a certaint extent daseal, I think that it was a frustrating year for anybody who had anything to do with the team last year. We had the potiental to be superbowl contenders. We had more weapons on offense than most teams in the NFL, and the #1 defense in the NFC. We had no reason to be as badd as we were period. No matter how good gibbs was in the past, he had major rust in his first year back. Imagine how good we would of been with spurrier as the head coach with the same supporting cast of coaches to help advice him... I think we would have been very good personaly. We would of keep Ramsey as the #1 in the dept chart, no brunnell. Portis was everything that he wanted in Canidate, and we would have threw the ball deep. I do disagree with his statement of coach not being reasonable... Have any of you ever played football? You know when your in the huddle as a player and you've been struggling on offense all day and you still got that one player who says all the time "throw the ball to me deep, I score!" but when you look at the game tape later on he's dropping madd balls and not blocking at all, just all around fuckin up in general. I think thats how the coaching staff and team felt about the passing game qb and recievrs in general. Tell me are you gonna listen to that guy telling what to run? Hell No! When portis got over 100 yards we won, when coles got over a 100 yards passing we still might have lost, so as coach who r u gonna listen to? I think he had more trust in Cooley than any of the wideouts, coach listened to the guys who gave him results. Gibbs may of been wrong in doing that, but we will be better next year, coach may realize later he made a mistake during this last season, but what will he do when he realizes the mistake he made, change or stay the same? __________________ That got ugly fast

03-08-2005, 03:23 PM	#36
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Re: I can't wait to hear the other side... Ramsey and Coles are two totally different situations. Ramsey wanted out because he felt like he was the starter and then we went of and paid Brunell like he was the next coming of John Elway. Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

03-08-2005, 03:41 PM	#41
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 63 Posts: 323	Re: I can't wait to hear the other side... I Really Thought He Had Changed From His Earlier Years, But Coles Still Seems To Be Suckin That Ol Thumb. Gibbs Is Just A Man And Is Not Perfect, But He Is A Better Person. Coles Show's His True Color's By Running His Mouth Like A Baby. Snyder Was Justified For His Anger . It's Just Better That He's Gone. He Was A Cancer.

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