What If?

Redskins_P · 05-02-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I hope we never get to see Brunell "come out". I'd love to see Campbell straight up, beat him up for the #2 position.

If that were to happen, Brunell would be the highest paid #3 QB in the history of the NFL.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Ramsey didn't impress me one bit in last year's preseason - nor - did Mark Brunell. Neither guy looked like someone who could lead a team to the playoffs. I think Ramsey does have the ability, but he's going to have to prove it this season. Who knows, Brunell may come out and look like the Brunell of old....I'm not holding my breath, but now that would be very interesting.

If I remember correctly Hasselback looked better than both in the little action he got in preseason.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

If that were to happen, Brunell would be the highest paid #3 QB in the history of the NFL.

Very true, but I'd rather have a high-paid old #3 sitting the bench rather than a possible QB of the future not getting any reps in real games.

dirtbag2112 · 05-02-2005, 12:56 PM

dont forget that Ramsey was coming off foot surgery just before preseason last year. He could barely walk like a month prior.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 01:02 PM

I don't think that really had anything to do with how he did. He doesn't have too much mobility so I wouldn't say that was affected.

I really think it was a combination of a LOT of things that was a problem for Ramsey:

- new coach
- new offensive philosophy
- Brunell coming in
- Brunell taking his job
- Jansen going down
- being inserted halfway into the season
- having a hurt/bad receiving corps

I would say the list can go on and on. Most of the things on the list that I would consider to be the biggest problems are not alleviated and I think that will make Ramsey a better all-around QB. Big positives are:

- great QB coach
- a year in the new system
- the job "officially" his this year

RedskinsJunkie · 05-02-2005, 01:45 PM

We can't have a situation like Sandiego next year though. We don't have the cap space to franchise Patrick. Hell we couldn't franchise one of our 2 definsive core redskins this year...

offiss · 05-02-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, Ramsey didn't do much to convince the staff last preseason that he should be the starter. Neither did Brunell, difference was Brunell was a proven vet and for Gibbs that meant alot.

Now coming into camp this year, Ramsey has proven that he can operate Gibbs' offense and he's begun to be a guy the staff believes can lead the team.

Exactly! What did Brunell do in the pre-season to establish himself over Ramsey? I will tell you, 1 long TD pass to McCant's, did McCants establish himself in the pre-season? Yes, did he play? No, The fact that Brunell played as bad as he did in the pre-season being the veteran that he is should have raised a red flag in Gibbs mind. On the other hand Ramsey was a young QB trying to learn a new offence which Joey T. said would take at least 6 to 10 games to really understand, I guess the same went for Brunell.

I agree with Matty that Gibbs comfort level was with a veteran, but as we saw it may take a veteran just as long to learn Gibbs offense as a youngster. As it turns out Brunell was a horrible signing, Gibbs should have shown a little more confidence in Ramsey from day 1 we would be much farther along as a team if he did, We would have a much better gauge of Ramsey as a QB in his system, and would have a better idea of where we stand as a team, it also may have prevented us from throwing away next years draft on Campbell.

Basically the same old, either your for Ramsey or against him. I just think Ramsey will be a tremendous QB for us givin the chance, but I know there are plenty here that will disagree, nothing wrong with that, once the season starts we then find out who had it right, difference of opinion makes this a lot of fun!

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 03:21 PM

The good thing is, I don't think anyone is really "against" Ramsey (besides SKINZ_DOMIN8

) Some people might not think he is the QB of the future, but I think that (most) everyone here is happy with how he played down the stretch and know he at least has the physical gifts to possibly BE the QB we know he can be.

uhohjimoh · 05-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Ramsey will wreck things this year...we will be SD all over again.
Unless Ramsey smokes too much crack with Ade jimoh in the offseason.

Hijinx · 05-02-2005, 06:03 PM

My point is that we are in somewhat of a lose/lose position in that even if Ramsey does really well this year I dont see him staying because of what has happened in the past. Now that might not mean anything if Campbell turns out well. HOWEVER swicthing QBs every two to three years is how we got to the point where we haven't had a winning record since '99.(Yes I know this is but one of many reasons)

SmootSmack · 05-02-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by uhohjimoh

Ramsey will wreck things this year...we will be SD all over again.
Unless Ramsey smokes too much crack with Ade jimoh in the offseason.

Welcome to the board!...yet another member with Jimoh in his user name! WOW

diehardskin2982 · 05-02-2005, 07:52 PM

Maybe there is a possibility that Ramsey will be trying his best to leave the team if he does well and then we'd have a fall back plan

Gmanc711 · 05-02-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinsJunkie

We can't have a situation like Sandiego next year though. We don't have the cap space to franchise Patrick. Hell we couldn't franchise one of our 2 definsive core redskins this year...

We wouldnt have to franchise him. He'd still have one year left on his contract and 2007, as it stands right now, could be an uncapped year. Either way; I would welcome a San Diego like situation.

saden1 · 05-02-2005, 08:58 PM

If Ramsey blows up this year I'll be happy to see Campbell traded. Yeah, he won't have any NFL experience in terms of being on the field but he's still a first round draft pick with lots of potential.

RedskinsJunkie · 05-03-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

We wouldnt have to franchise him. He'd still have one year left on his contract and 2007, as it stands right now, could be an uncapped year. Either way; I would welcome a San Diego like situation.

My fault I thought this was Ramseys last year in his current contract. I really hope he turns out to do great things this year...

IF he does...

How bad will it have sucked to spend 3 draft picks for Campbell. If Ramsey does great Campbell won't see the field and the most you get for trading the guy would be a first rounder at best...

05-02-2005, 12:56 PM	#34
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: What If? dont forget that Ramsey was coming off foot surgery just before preseason last year. He could barely walk like a month prior.

05-02-2005, 01:02 PM	#35
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: What If? I don't think that really had anything to do with how he did. He doesn't have too much mobility so I wouldn't say that was affected. I really think it was a combination of a LOT of things that was a problem for Ramsey: - new coach - new offensive philosophy - Brunell coming in - Brunell taking his job - Jansen going down - being inserted halfway into the season - having a hurt/bad receiving corps I would say the list can go on and on. Most of the things on the list that I would consider to be the biggest problems are not alleviated and I think that will make Ramsey a better all-around QB. Big positives are: - great QB coach - a year in the new system - the job "officially" his this year __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-02-2005, 01:45 PM	#36
RedskinsJunkie Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Connecticut Age: 50 Posts: 128	Re: What If? We can't have a situation like Sandiego next year though. We don't have the cap space to franchise Patrick. Hell we couldn't franchise one of our 2 definsive core redskins this year... __________________ Jimoh--- OH NO!

05-02-2005, 03:21 PM	#38
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: What If? The good thing is, I don't think anyone is really "against" Ramsey (besides SKINZ_DOMIN8 ) Some people might not think he is the QB of the future, but I think that (most) everyone here is happy with how he played down the stretch and know he at least has the physical gifts to possibly BE the QB we know he can be. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-02-2005, 04:50 PM	#39
uhohjimoh Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41	Re: What If? Ramsey will wreck things this year...we will be SD all over again. Unless Ramsey smokes too much crack with Ade jimoh in the offseason.

05-02-2005, 06:03 PM	#40
Hijinx The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 50 Posts: 1,961	Re: What If? My point is that we are in somewhat of a lose/lose position in that even if Ramsey does really well this year I dont see him staying because of what has happened in the past. Now that might not mean anything if Campbell turns out well. HOWEVER swicthing QBs every two to three years is how we got to the point where we haven't had a winning record since '99.(Yes I know this is but one of many reasons) __________________ This is my signature, there are many like it, but this one is mine.

05-02-2005, 07:52 PM	#42
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: What If? Maybe there is a possibility that Ramsey will be trying his best to leave the team if he does well and then we'd have a fall back plan __________________ That got ugly fast

05-02-2005, 08:58 PM	#44
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: What If? If Ramsey blows up this year I'll be happy to see Campbell traded. Yeah, he won't have any NFL experience in terms of being on the field but he's still a first round draft pick with lots of potential.

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