Does character count?

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 10:46 AM

I'd prefer us to deal with players like the Eagles do. Let them act like that and sit on the bench or get the hell out. That way, when we DO get players, they know what they are signing on for.

FRPLG · 05-05-2005, 11:56 AM

The difference is now there are more me "first and only" type guys. Riggins is a classic example of a trouble maker back in the day. He was selfish and thought little of other people or players...outside of the game. But when it came to playing football and being a team mate he fell into line. Nowadays guys like TO not only cause problems organizationally they also create issues within the team dynamic. I would feel somewhat differently about his current antics if he hadn't thrown McNabb under the bus. That shows you right there that the guy has absolutly no quality character bones in his body. He is a dumb shit asshole who only cares about himself and will stab anybody or team in the backs to increase in wallet and notoriety. What a idiot. At least Taylor isn't going around bad mouthing team mates or coaches in the media. TO is such a huge distraction that I can only think of one team more deserving...the Cowcraps.

Daseal · 05-05-2005, 11:57 AM

I still can't figure out how people can say Winslow has a poor character for getting into a bike accident. By the way, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else - he was LEARNING how to ride in a parking lot. So he wasn't on the road when this happened. Everyone has to learn HOW to ride a bike.
"With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2053370

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I still can't figure out how people can say Winslow has a poor character for getting into a bike accident. By the way, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else - he was LEARNING how to ride in a parking lot. So he wasn't on the road when this happened. Everyone has to learn HOW to ride a bike.
"With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2053370

Can you imagine how much it would suck if he DOES have to pay back $4.4 million? I have problems paying back people $20, but $4.4 million?!?

Hijinx · 05-05-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I still can't figure out how people can say Winslow has a poor character for getting into a bike accident. By the way, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else - he was LEARNING how to ride in a parking lot. So he wasn't on the road when this happened. Everyone has to learn HOW to ride a bike.
"With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2053370

This is not entirely true. Yes the bike was new and he had no experience riding it. However earlier that day or the previous night(can't remember which) he attended a motorcycle stunt show called starboyz. I have seen the video of him moments before the crash. He was doing like 50 in that small parking lot. He was doing spin outs and wheelies. There were skid marks all over that lot. In fact it has been said that he was doing a wheelie when the wreck happened. Now even though it says no bikes in his contract, I think had he bought a bike, got a licence, maybe took a riding class or was slowly trying the bike out that would be one thing. This guy was tying to pull one of those 'don't try this at home' things. An adult should know better.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 11:58 AM

I bet TO gets in the Hall of Fame before Monk. Pieces of shit like Irvin (who STILL isn't as bad as TO) will make it in! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH.

Daseal · 05-05-2005, 11:59 AM

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The difference is now there are more me "first and only" type guys. Riggins is a classic example of a trouble maker back in the day. He was selfish and thought little of other people or players...outside of the game. But when it came to playing football and being a team mate he fell into line. Nowadays guys like TO not only cause problems organizationally they also create issues within the team dynamic. I would feel somewhat differently about his current antics if he hadn't thrown McNabb under the bus. That shows you right there that the guy has absolutly no quality character bones in his body. He is a dumb shit asshole who only cares about himself and will stab anybody or team in the backs to increase in wallet and notoriety. What a idiot. At least Taylor isn't going around bad mouthing team mates or coaches in the media. TO is such a huge distraction that I can only think of one team more deserving...the Cowcraps.

Does this mean Jon Jansen isn't a team guy? Didn't he throw Sean Taylor under the bus on draft day? At least TO made remarks about a game, Jansen got nasty with the man's personal life.

FRPLG · 05-05-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Does this mean Jon Jansen isn't a team guy? Didn't he throw Sean Taylor under the bus on draft day? At least TO made remarks about a game, Jansen got nasty with the man's personal life.

The more I think about this post I am wondering what the point of it was? We're you disagreeing with what I said or were you just trying to start something about Jansen? It doesn't seem like it has anything to do with what the thread is about. Jansen's name was never mentioned until you mentioned it.
I would say that mentioning his "personal life" in this case was 100% appropriate since it ended up DIRECTLY affecting the Redskins. Remember he was suspended for one game for missing practice after it in one of his 2 year old type pouting displays. That makes it "team business" too.

joecrisp · 05-05-2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Does this mean Jon Jansen isn't a team guy? Didn't he throw Sean Taylor under the bus on draft day? At least TO made remarks about a game, Jansen got nasty with the man's personal life.

Which one of them is at Redskins Park working out with his team? That should tell you who the team guy is right there.

Jon Jansen is the longest-tenured Redskin player and a team captain. He has a right to call out teammates if he feels they're letting their teammates down, either on the field or off of it. In fact, I'd say as a senior leader of the team, he has a responsibility to his teammates to promote the rules and principles the coach has laid-out as a roadmap for his team. What was one of the first admonitions Coach Gibbs made to his players when he gathered them for their first team meeting? "Don't embarrass the Redskins."

Sean Taylor put himself in a position to be arrested for DUI in the middle of the season, and make a public mockery of Gibbs' behavior policy. Whether he was found innocent of the charges or not is immaterial at this point (do you think you or I would have escaped those charges so easily?). The damage was done when Taylor was arrested, and that event was the direct result of Taylor's immaturity, irresponsibility and lack of accountability.

As for TO, I don't think his comments about McNabb even remotely resemble any form of leadership, or promote team unity, or reinforce the principles of the coach. Owens might be a veteran and an established star in the league, but you don't enhance team chemistry by spending less than a year with a team before calling out its most popular and affable player, and holding out for a new contract. That's not being a team player, and it's sure as hell not leadership.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 12:00 PM

What did Jansen say about Taylor? I don't remember that, I'm curious.

Daseal · 05-05-2005, 12:01 PM

He started talking about his DUI (which he was innocent of) on the draft show. It lowered my view of Jansen. Talk about him not being in camp all you want, but don't bring that into it.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 12:02 PM

Damn, now I wish you wouldn't have told me that. :frusty:

I never thought Jansen would say something like that.

irish · 05-05-2005, 12:26 PM

I respect JJ even more for saying that. Hopefully is will help St wake up but I doubt it. It never ceases to amaze me how people will place themselves in difficult or shady looking situations then be surprised that others see them in a negative fashion. Impressions, whether true or not, are hard to change especially 1st ones. This is why people see Iverson in one light while McNabb is seen in another.

joecrisp · 05-05-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I respect JJ even more for saying that. Hopefully is will help St wake up but I doubt it. It never ceases to amaze me how people will place themselves in difficult or shady looking situations then be surprised that others see them in a negative fashion. Impressions, whether true or not, are hard to change especially 1st ones. This is why people see Iverson in one light while McNabb is seen in another.

Couldn't have said it better myself, irish.

Schneed10 · 05-05-2005, 12:40 PM

Daseal, I was one of those people that called him a bad character guy for his bike riding incident. I'll back off of that, I think you're right on that point. But I think he's dumb for choosing to ride a motorbike. That was a dumb choice, so maybe "bad character" isn't the right term. I just think it was stupid. #1, when you have a clause in your contract that says you will lose money if you miss games due to a motorbike accident, it's pretty dumb to choose to ride the bike. #2, when your teammates depend on you to be a big part of the team, it's pretty inconsiderate to do something as risk your health on a motorbike. It's just not smart any way you cut it.

05-05-2005, 11:57 AM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Does character count? I still can't figure out how people can say Winslow has a poor character for getting into a bike accident. By the way, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else - he was LEARNING how to ride in a parking lot. So he wasn't on the road when this happened. Everyone has to learn HOW to ride a bike. "With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb." http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2053370 __________________ Best. Player. Available.

05-05-2005, 11:58 AM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Does character count? I bet TO gets in the Hall of Fame before Monk. Pieces of shit like Irvin (who STILL isn't as bad as TO) will make it in! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-05-2005, 12:00 PM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Does character count? What did Jansen say about Taylor? I don't remember that, I'm curious. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-05-2005, 12:01 PM	#11
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Does character count? He started talking about his DUI (which he was innocent of) on the draft show. It lowered my view of Jansen. Talk about him not being in camp all you want, but don't bring that into it. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

05-05-2005, 12:02 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Does character count? Damn, now I wish you wouldn't have told me that. :frusty: I never thought Jansen would say something like that. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-05-2005, 10:46 AM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Does character count? I'd prefer us to deal with players like the Eagles do. Let them act like that and sit on the bench or get the hell out. That way, when we DO get players, they know what they are signing on for. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-05-2005, 11:56 AM	#2
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Does character count? The difference is now there are more me "first and only" type guys. Riggins is a classic example of a trouble maker back in the day. He was selfish and thought little of other people or players...outside of the game. But when it came to playing football and being a team mate he fell into line. Nowadays guys like TO not only cause problems organizationally they also create issues within the team dynamic. I would feel somewhat differently about his current antics if he hadn't thrown McNabb under the bus. That shows you right there that the guy has absolutly no quality character bones in his body. He is a dumb shit asshole who only cares about himself and will stab anybody or team in the backs to increase in wallet and notoriety. What a idiot. At least Taylor isn't going around bad mouthing team mates or coaches in the media. TO is such a huge distraction that I can only think of one team more deserving...the Cowcraps.

05-05-2005, 12:26 PM	#13
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Does character count? I respect JJ even more for saying that. Hopefully is will help St wake up but I doubt it. It never ceases to amaze me how people will place themselves in difficult or shady looking situations then be surprised that others see them in a negative fashion. Impressions, whether true or not, are hard to change especially 1st ones. This is why people see Iverson in one light while McNabb is seen in another.

05-05-2005, 12:40 PM	#15
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Does character count? Daseal, I was one of those people that called him a bad character guy for his bike riding incident. I'll back off of that, I think you're right on that point. But I think he's dumb for choosing to ride a motorbike. That was a dumb choice, so maybe "bad character" isn't the right term. I just think it was stupid. #1, when you have a clause in your contract that says you will lose money if you miss games due to a motorbike accident, it's pretty dumb to choose to ride the bike. #2, when your teammates depend on you to be a big part of the team, it's pretty inconsiderate to do something as risk your health on a motorbike. It's just not smart any way you cut it.

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