Chip Kelly Fired

OmahaRedskins · 12-29-2015, 10:15 PM

It's nice not being the NFC East dumpster fire. I think CK wanted to leave Philly, or otherwise, he would have compromised. He is a smart person; he knew he was going to have to give up some of his power.

When your star running back goes to the owner, and then you basically bench him the following weeks, something has to change. Because of the contract, you can't cut him or trade him, you are stuck with an expensive shiny toy, you refuse to use. It's easier to let the coach go and start over, but the damage is done. Look at all of the talent Andy Reid accumulated while he was head coach.

NC_Skins · 12-29-2015, 10:52 PM

I'd thought Chip probably deserved one more year, but with the types of moves he made in the off-season, his ass was definitely on the line. The moves weren't that bad, but I think he gave up way too much for Bradford in the Noles trade. Bradford was going to be cut so giving up your starting QB plus a 4th and 2nd rounder was stupid as fuck. Didn't have issue with the McCoy trade for Kiko. Not like McCoy did anything of worth in Buffalo. Now the biggest head scratcher was the Murray signing....wtf was he thinking with that shit?

Evilgrin · 12-29-2015, 11:00 PM

I remember when he brought in Bradford, and just kinda figured that was gonna cause them to slide. The Demarco Murray contract is a huge problem, if they cut him its a huge cap hit. I think they are probably gonna need a year or two to recover from the moves he made.

skinsfan69 · 12-29-2015, 11:43 PM

He deserved to get fired. Not surprised at all. Who would think that the Redskins are the most stable franchise in the NFC East. lol.

kingj · 12-30-2015, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He deserved to get fired. Not surprised at all. Who would think that the Redskins are the most stable franchise in the NFC East. lol.

I feel like I'm in alternate universe. The skins and stable franchise in the same sentence!

FRPLG · 12-30-2015, 12:38 AM

Lurie just couldn't let him handle personnel anymore. Chip saw the writing on the wall and said no to that to get canned. Now apparently he'll take a straight coaching job. What he really needs is to go back to college or be an OC for a few years. Going back to being a coordinator he could learn a little more about handling pros. Belichek did it and now look. I do feel pretty stoked we're not the dysfunctional team in the division. Maybe we're the only one right now. Certainly some turmoil. Giants are a mess and what exactly has Garrett ever done to keep that job? Hell he got saved this year with a built in excuse. Bizarro world for us.

JoeRedskin · 12-30-2015, 01:06 AM

I dunno, everything I read about Kelly's offense was that it was very basic but that tempo and execution were supposed to make up for its simplicity. His only success came with the remnants of Reid's roster which was actually pretty damn good.

To me, that's K-Gun / Muddle Huddle stuff. Yes, he was a lousy personnel guy but not willing to give him a pass on the x's and o's at this point. With better personnel (Shady, DJax, Maclin), sure it was a success. However, it always struck me as more smoke and mirrors than as a sustainable game plan.

Wish he was still there. I predict that the only success he will ever have is on the college level. He will never be a good coordinator b/c he is a one trick pony and is unlikely to learn and implement other coaches methods. He will never turn a franchise around as a coach b/c his system only works if it has talented players.

He's just not a pro.

That Guy · 12-30-2015, 04:13 AM

i dunno, i'm sure he'll get another shot, and his offenses ran pretty well with not amazing QBs. definitely shouldn't be allowed near personnel discussions, but he's done a lot better than most other first time college-> NFL coaches.

I mean, i wouldn't want him as my team's HC, but there are plenty of mediocre head coaches that manage to get 2nd 3rd and 4th jobs in the NFL.

Alvin Walton · 12-30-2015, 07:14 AM

This is all quite humorous.
The rest of NFC implodes and for once the Redskins look competitive and competent.
This is a good week.
Tonight I will toast Chip Potato Face Kelly with some Jim Beam Devils Cut.

KI Skins Fan · 12-30-2015, 07:50 AM

I felt that his up tempo offense just wasn't well suited to the NFL. When they scored, they scored too quickly. When they went three and out, it seemed to happen in the blink of an eye. Then they put heir defense right back on the field without adequate rest. By the 4th quarter, when most NFL games are won or lost, their defense was gassed.

skinsfan69 · 12-30-2015, 08:25 AM

The Patriots run a lot of up tempo stuff. It's not the scheme. It always comes down to players and how you fit them into your scheme. That's where Chip failed. He would have been better off making a move for Tyrod Taylor over Bradford.

And sorry but you just can't run off Jackson, Maclin and McCoy and expect to keep your job.

Schneed10 · 12-30-2015, 09:07 AM

Murray will be so much better next year. Whoever they get to be the HC is highly likely to employ a more traditional rushing attack, running from under center, etc.

I doubt Murray gets back to his 2014 Dallas productivity because he won't have that same stud offensive line and no Bill Callahan, but he'll finally be able to gain a head of steam and run downhill. He'll get back to 1000+ yards.

RB won't be their problem. QB will be a disaster. There's no reason for Bradford to want to return, he'll look at the Eagles on the same footing as any other NFL team in need of a QB, they're a team with a new head coach with whom he'll need to establish a rapport. They have Sanchez under contract, it will probably be him and a rookie.

Chico23231 · 12-30-2015, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Murray will be so much better next year. Whoever they get to be the HC is highly likely to employ a more traditional rushing attack, running from under center, etc.

I doubt Murray gets back to his 2014 Dallas productivity because he won't have that same stud offensive line and no Bill Callahan, but he'll finally be able to gain a head of steam and run downhill. He'll get back to 1000+ yards.

RB won't be their problem. QB will be a disaster. There's no reason for Bradford to want to return, he'll look at the Eagles on the same footing as any other NFL team in need of a QB, they're a team with a new head coach with whom he'll need to establish a rapport. They have Sanchez under contract, it will probably be him and a rookie.

Eagles have a lot of problems on the Oline. JPeters is a year older, still effective when not injured. Lane Johnson has not panned at RT, probably a below average starter by NFL standards. Jason Kelce at Center is still good-very good player. But their guards are horrific.

They have a lot of work to do along the line. I think Demarco Murray would be great at Dallas or here in DC, but Eagles have too many questions along the line and with future scheme.

As for Bradford, terrible scheme fit for Kelly, but I think his future with the Eagles depends on the HC hire. I think Bradford will be highly sought after if he hits the market. The Eagles have god aweful WRs...lotta drops

Schneed10 · 12-30-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Eagles have a lot of problems on the Oline. JPeters is a year older, still effective when not injured. Lane Johnson has not panned at RT, probably a below average starter by NFL standards. Jason Kelce at Center is still good-very good player. But their guards are horrific.

They have a lot of work to do along the line. I think Demarco Murray would be great at Dallas or here in DC, but Eagles have too many questions along the line and with future scheme.

As for Bradford, terrible scheme fit for Kelly, but I think his future with the Eagles depends on the HC hire. I think Bradford will be highly sought after if he hits the market. The Eagles have god aweful WRs...lotta drops

Totally agreed on the state of the o-line. Keep in mind that so much better for Murray means something better than 700 yards, which is what he's got this year.

I imagine 3.9 yards per carry, 1100 yards, as they try to go three yards and a cloud of dust while they try to develop a rookie QB (I think Bradford takes an offer somewhere else).

I think you and I are saying the same thing, they'll be terrible. But Murray will fit better.

HonoluluBlue · 12-30-2015, 10:03 AM

Kelly wasn't a bad coach-he got decent seasons out of the likes of Mile Vick, Nick Foles, and Mark Sanchez! But as a General Manager he's Millenesque. I also think the poster that said he treats grown men like college kids has a point, too. The player-coach relationship needs to be different in the pros for that reason and I don't think he transitioned in that regard very well. DeSean Jackson is a case in point.

And can anyone see any future at all on Bradford at this point? He's an injury prone Captain Checkdown. I'm tired of hearing how next year will be his breakout year. No; it won't. Dude isn't all that special and is made of glass to boot.

12-29-2015, 10:15 PM	#1
OmahaRedskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 822	Re: Chip Kelly Fired It's nice not being the NFC East dumpster fire. I think CK wanted to leave Philly, or otherwise, he would have compromised. He is a smart person; he knew he was going to have to give up some of his power. When your star running back goes to the owner, and then you basically bench him the following weeks, something has to change. Because of the contract, you can't cut him or trade him, you are stuck with an expensive shiny toy, you refuse to use. It's easier to let the coach go and start over, but the damage is done. Look at all of the talent Andy Reid accumulated while he was head coach.

12-29-2015, 10:52 PM	#2
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,587	Re: Chip Kelly Fired I'd thought Chip probably deserved one more year, but with the types of moves he made in the off-season, his ass was definitely on the line. The moves weren't that bad, but I think he gave up way too much for Bradford in the Noles trade. Bradford was going to be cut so giving up your starting QB plus a 4th and 2nd rounder was stupid as fuck. Didn't have issue with the McCoy trade for Kiko. Not like McCoy did anything of worth in Buffalo. Now the biggest head scratcher was the Murray signing....wtf was he thinking with that shit? __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

12-29-2015, 11:00 PM	#3
Evilgrin The Starter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,074	Re: Chip Kelly Fired I remember when he brought in Bradford, and just kinda figured that was gonna cause them to slide. The Demarco Murray contract is a huge problem, if they cut him its a huge cap hit. I think they are probably gonna need a year or two to recover from the moves he made. __________________ Bruce Allen “We’re winning off the field,” Redskins #2 In Revenue Per Year!

12-29-2015, 11:43 PM	#4
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,437	Re: Chip Kelly Fired He deserved to get fired. Not surprised at all. Who would think that the Redskins are the most stable franchise in the NFC East. lol.

12-30-2015, 12:38 AM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Chip Kelly Fired Lurie just couldn't let him handle personnel anymore. Chip saw the writing on the wall and said no to that to get canned. Now apparently he'll take a straight coaching job. What he really needs is to go back to college or be an OC for a few years. Going back to being a coordinator he could learn a little more about handling pros. Belichek did it and now look. I do feel pretty stoked we're not the dysfunctional team in the division. Maybe we're the only one right now. Certainly some turmoil. Giants are a mess and what exactly has Garrett ever done to keep that job? Hell he got saved this year with a built in excuse. Bizarro world for us.

12-30-2015, 01:06 AM	#7
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Chip Kelly Fired I dunno, everything I read about Kelly's offense was that it was very basic but that tempo and execution were supposed to make up for its simplicity. His only success came with the remnants of Reid's roster which was actually pretty damn good. To me, that's K-Gun / Muddle Huddle stuff. Yes, he was a lousy personnel guy but not willing to give him a pass on the x's and o's at this point. With better personnel (Shady, DJax, Maclin), sure it was a success. However, it always struck me as more smoke and mirrors than as a sustainable game plan. Wish he was still there. I predict that the only success he will ever have is on the college level. He will never be a good coordinator b/c he is a one trick pony and is unlikely to learn and implement other coaches methods. He will never turn a franchise around as a coach b/c his system only works if it has talented players. He's just not a pro. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

12-30-2015, 04:13 AM	#8
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Chip Kelly Fired i dunno, i'm sure he'll get another shot, and his offenses ran pretty well with not amazing QBs. definitely shouldn't be allowed near personnel discussions, but he's done a lot better than most other first time college-> NFL coaches. I mean, i wouldn't want him as my team's HC, but there are plenty of mediocre head coaches that manage to get 2nd 3rd and 4th jobs in the NFL.

12-30-2015, 07:14 AM	#9
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: Chip Kelly Fired This is all quite humorous. The rest of NFC implodes and for once the Redskins look competitive and competent. This is a good week. Tonight I will toast Chip Potato Face Kelly with some Jim Beam Devils Cut. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

12-30-2015, 07:50 AM	#10
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,412	Re: Chip Kelly Fired I felt that his up tempo offense just wasn't well suited to the NFL. When they scored, they scored too quickly. When they went three and out, it seemed to happen in the blink of an eye. Then they put heir defense right back on the field without adequate rest. By the 4th quarter, when most NFL games are won or lost, their defense was gassed. __________________ I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!

12-30-2015, 08:25 AM	#11
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,437	Re: Chip Kelly Fired The Patriots run a lot of up tempo stuff. It's not the scheme. It always comes down to players and how you fit them into your scheme. That's where Chip failed. He would have been better off making a move for Tyrod Taylor over Bradford. And sorry but you just can't run off Jackson, Maclin and McCoy and expect to keep your job.

12-30-2015, 09:07 AM	#12
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Chip Kelly Fired Murray will be so much better next year. Whoever they get to be the HC is highly likely to employ a more traditional rushing attack, running from under center, etc. I doubt Murray gets back to his 2014 Dallas productivity because he won't have that same stud offensive line and no Bill Callahan, but he'll finally be able to gain a head of steam and run downhill. He'll get back to 1000+ yards. RB won't be their problem. QB will be a disaster. There's no reason for Bradford to want to return, he'll look at the Eagles on the same footing as any other NFL team in need of a QB, they're a team with a new head coach with whom he'll need to establish a rapport. They have Sanchez under contract, it will probably be him and a rookie. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-30-2015, 10:03 AM	#15
HonoluluBlue Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Warrenton, VA Posts: 113	Re: Chip Kelly Fired Kelly wasn't a bad coach-he got decent seasons out of the likes of Mile Vick, Nick Foles, and Mark Sanchez! But as a General Manager he's Millenesque. I also think the poster that said he treats grown men like college kids has a point, too. The player-coach relationship needs to be different in the pros for that reason and I don't think he transitioned in that regard very well. DeSean Jackson is a case in point. And can anyone see any future at all on Bradford at this point? He's an injury prone Captain Checkdown. I'm tired of hearing how next year will be his breakout year. No; it won't. Dude isn't all that special and is made of glass to boot.

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