Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Just heard Dan Patrick discussing the "what if" scenario of Kyle becoming head coach of 49er's and trading their high 1st round pick for Cousins. I really don't think that WOULD happen...nor would I want it to. IMO there isn't a great QB in this draft and we'd probably be going with McCoy as the starter for next season. I don't see a likely scenario of anything outside of paying a LOT of $$$ for Kirk.

Just this year's first round pick? I hardly think so. It would have to be multiple picks including their 2017 first round pick.

[skinsfan69]

We can pay KC 21-24 million a year and still build a good team around him. How much is Matt Ryan making? Probably somewhere in the low 20's with the current salary cap. The cap goes up the next few years. To me this isn't the issue. The issue comes down to whether Snyder/front office thinks he's worth that kind of money. My guess is they don't.

I would guess that KC will be here next year, maybe w/out a long term deal. But in 2018 he may not be. Especially if Kyle and Boy Wonder are going to be looking for a starter.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would guess that KC will be here next year, maybe w/out a long term deal. But in 2018 he may not be. Especially if Kyle and Boy Wonder are going to be looking for a starter.

Yes there should be room to pay him and have improved team - that is my hope and wish. However what will piss me off is if Cousins gets a good solid offer and makes us tag him again because he wants top 3 ish money - read is more worried about "respect" than winning championships. If cousins goes that route then tag him and get what we can.

[Alvin Walton]

I'm going a bit mad over this contract/signing/non-signing crap.
Can Cousins take us to a championship?
I think most people would say its definitely possible.
So then you pay him whatever the going rate is.
The going rate keeps going up but fortunately the salary cap does too.
He's got enough endorsements from fans/coaches.
Just sign him and draft a freakin pass rush.............

[calia]

For everyone who is OK with watching KC leave, I ask you to consider (I think I have everyone since we won a Superbowl):

RGIII
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Jason Campbell
Mark Brunell (the old one)
Donovan McNabb (same)
Todd Collins
Patrick Ramsey
Tim Hasselbeck
Shane Matthews
Danny Wuerffel
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Brad Johnson (well, that might have worked out)
Trent Green (same)
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Heath Shuler
John Friesz

So we have a QB that has broken most franchise records, led us to consecutive winning seasons in I-can't-remember-how-long, was top 5 in most statistical categories in the league this year, is by all accounts a super teammate and all around good guy. . .

and folks would let him go for a few picks? Honestly, I do not get this. Unless you have a once-in-a-few decades defense, no team has won it all without a franchise QB.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by calia

For everyone who is OK with watching KC leave, I ask you to consider (I think I have everyone since we won a Superbowl):



RGIII

Rex Grossman

John Beck

Jason Campbell

Mark Brunell (the old one)

Donovan McNabb (same)

Todd Collins

Patrick Ramsey

Tim Hasselbeck

Shane Matthews

Danny Wuerffel

Tony Banks

Jeff George

Brad Johnson (well, that might have worked out)

Trent Green (same)

Gus Frerotte

Jeff Hostetler

Heath Shuler

John Friesz



So we have a QB that has broken most franchise records, led us to consecutive winning seasons in I-can't-remember-how-long, was top 5 in most statistical categories in the league this year, is by all accounts a super teammate and all around good guy. . .



and folks would let him go for a few picks? Honestly, I do not get this. Unless you have a once-in-a-few decades defense, no team has won it all without a franchise QB.

I agree. When you have a guy that can play, and play very well, you don't let him walk. The cap isn't an issue, I don't know how many more times it needs to be said but we can afford to sign him and still make plenty of improvements.

Washington Redskins no longer have issues with salary cap - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I agree. When you have a guy that can play, and play very well, you don't let him walk. The cap isn't an issue, I don't know how many more times it needs to be said but we can afford to sign him and still make plenty of improvements.

Washington Redskins no longer have issues with salary cap - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

the last line sums it up:

Regardless, the Redskins will enter the offseason in a much better spot. But, remember, they reached this point by not spending crazily.

To be clear, signing KC at anything 25 (FT for next year is 33) and below is not spending crazily on the qb position, and we need to lock him up to stop it from being crazy next year.

We have good cap space, a good offense, we just need to fix the defense.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by calia

So we have a QB that has broken most franchise records, led us to consecutive winning seasons in I-can't-remember-how-long, was top 5 in most statistical categories in the league this year, is by all accounts a super teammate and all around good guy. . .

and folks would let him go for a few picks? Honestly, I do not get this. Unless you have a once-in-a-few decades defense, no team has won it all without a franchise QB.

Nobody wants Kirk Cousins gone. But, there's a real possibility that he could sign with another team. So knowing that, I can't see how any of us would be OK with the idea of just letting him walk and getting nothing in return? So yeah, if the 'skins are dumb enough to let him go, at least tag him with the non-exclusive so the team gets something in return. That's all I'm saying. Otherwise, I'm all about the Redskins offering Cousins a great deal that keeps him in Washington.

[NC_Skins]

You have to ask yourself if KC even wants to be here. Judging from Rich Cambell's tweets, you can sense this exact thing. It's not hard to read between the lines. (especially with the shot in the back reference)


https://twitter.com/NC_Skins23/statu...04789093912577

[mooby]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You have to ask yourself if KC even wants to be here. Judging from Rich Cambell's tweets, you can sense this exact thing. It's not hard to read between the lines. (especially with the shot in the back reference)


https://twitter.com/NC_Skins23/statu...04789093912577

Nothing we can do about Dan not wanting Kirk, but if Bruce is a leading voice behind the "eh, not sure I want to pay him" crowd he can go kick rocks, to put it nicely. He's basically a front office cheerleader at this point.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Nothing we can do about Dan not wanting Kirk, but if Bruce is a leading voice behind the "eh, not sure I want to pay him" crowd he can go kick rocks, to put it nicely. He's basically a front office cheerleader at this point.

I hope in terms of personnel,whether it be coaching or players, that Scot McCloughan, for better or worse, has total control. Like you said, hopefully Bruce Allen is just a front office cheerleader. He's good with dealing with all the political stuff surrounding the team, but I hope he stays out of the player personnel stuff.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by mooby

Nothing we can do about Dan not wanting Kirk, but if Bruce is a leading voice behind the "eh, not sure I want to pay him" crowd he can go kick rocks, to put it nicely. He's basically a front office cheerleader at this point.

I myself have never felt like Dan has wanted KC here as his starter. I believe that it is because it is a constant reminder of how his grand idea of RG3 failed.

Not sure how much "power" Bruce / Scott has in the grand scheme of things, but who do you think would really win if it came down to it? When Gruden made the decision to install Cousins as the starter, we had all those stories of how Dan was "livid" and basically had to be calmed down and pacified from completely going nuts.

I'm just saying Dan, to me, is the ultimate X factor. You never know what he will decide at the most inopportune moment. Still would not put it past him to send his possible franchise QB packing if he thinks he has a better idea. It sounds dumb to us, but we have watched his dumb decisions essentially since 1999.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I myself have never felt like Dan has wanted KC here as his starter. I believe that it is because it is a constant reminder of how his grand idea of RG3 failed.

Not sure how much "power" Bruce / Scott has in the grand scheme of things, but who do you think would really win if it came down to it? When Gruden made the decision to install Cousins as the starter, we had all those stories of how Dan was "livid" and basically had to be calmed down and pacified from completely going nuts.

I'm just saying Dan, to me, is the ultimate X factor. You never know what he will decide at the most inopportune moment. Still would not put it past him to send his possible franchise QB packing if he thinks he has a better idea. It sounds dumb to us, but we have watched his dumb decisions essentially since 1999.

Snyder has failed miserably every time he's been involved in making a decision on a QB. The three that can recall were George, Ramsey and of course RG3. All terrible, awful failures. He doesn't know a good QB when he sees one. He even had a hard on for Mark Sanchez. The guy needs to stay as far away from the QB table as humanly possible.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mooby

Nothing we can do about Dan not wanting Kirk, but if Bruce is a leading voice behind the "eh, not sure I want to pay him" crowd he can go kick rocks, to put it nicely. He's basically a front office cheerleader at this point.

Rich Tandler did everything but outright state that Snyder is preventing a deal from happening. As for Bruce Allen, I doubt that he is influencing Snyder very much. He seems to have become Snyder's equivalent of Smithers.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Rich Tandler did everything but outright state that Snyder is preventing a deal from happening. As for Bruce Allen, I doubt that he is influencing Snyder very much. He seems to have become Snyder's equivalent of Smithers.

Well, there you have it. Dan Snyder is what will be the reason why Cousins walks this year. Dan Snyder will also be the reason why we are never going to amount to $hit. This is truly classic Dan stuff right here.