Montae Nicholson Arrested

[FrenchSkin]

The video is not what shocks me most. Not saying I'm fine with it, I can understand not being able to stop once you've snapped out of your mind, especially if you're drunk. While unacceptable, that kind of shit happens when drunk people get into arguments.

What is beyond unacceptable IMO is getting drunk during the season. For 2 reason:

1) Obviously, this can lead to this kind of shit, and that'll get you suspended.

2) Your body is not 100 % if you get shitfaced. You're a professional athlete, you're paid to do everything in your power to perform at the highest level. Physical preparation is a part of that. Alimentation is a huge factor in the later. Being a regular Joe and feeling like you've fully recovered from your Sunday hangover on Monday is one thing. But being a pro athlete and think that putting a large amount of alcohol into your body is not going to be a huge step back as far as your physical form is concerned is as stupid as it gets IMO.

Any semi pro or even high level amateur in any sports knows what I'm talking about.

Heck, even if you lift weight twice a week, try drinking 4 beers the night before one of your workouts and compare your performance to one where you haven't drunk for several days before.

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[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

2) Your body is not 100 % if you get shitfaced.

Unless your name is Max McGee. Not sure if the younger generation knows of his big game in the first Super Bowl playing with a bad hangover.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Unless your name is Max McGee. Not sure if the younger generation knows of his big game in the first Super Bowl playing with a bad hangover.

I hear you but that's a different era. Strength and conditioning was not nearly as important as it was today... wasn't it a different sport ?

Like it or not, getting and keeping your body football ready is a big part of this sport. I know Montae is not the only player in the league to party during the season, but when you look at guys like Tom Brady having his own personal trainer who is known for studying the importance of a good diet, and other players wanting to work with the same guy... don't you think his advices about nutrition involve not getting shitfaced during the season?

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[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Unless your name is Max McGee. Not sure if the younger generation knows of his big game in the first Super Bowl playing with a bad hangover.

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I hear you but that's a different era. Strength and conditioning was not nearly as important as it was today... wasn't it a different sport ?

Like it or not, getting and keeping your body football ready is a big part of this sport. I know Montae is not the only player in the league to party during the season, but when you look at guys like Tom Brady having his own personal trainer who is known for studying the importance of a good diet, and other players wanting to work with the same guy... don't you think his advices about nutrition involve not getting shitfaced during the season?

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No argument from me. I just think the Max McGee story is amusing. Of course alcohol consumption has zero benefits and can only hurt physical performance. As with any drug it will hurt some more than others. The negative effects seem to exponentially become worse as a person ages.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

No argument from me. I just think the Max McGee story is amusing. Of course alcohol consumption has zero benefits and can only hurt physical performance. As with any drug it will hurt some more than others. The negative effects seem to exponentially become worse as a person ages.

It definitely is. I also think it's a sign that there's was a time were physical performance was not as important in sports as it is today, and that was certainly a good thing, but as sports evolve and generate more and more of money, I don't see how this evolution can be avoided.

Rugby was way more entertaining to watch when my father watched it than now. But I think the rules of Football prevent it from turning boring because of professionalism like Rugby did.

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[mooby]

French, man I like you and all, but that comment is pretty naïve.

Not saying all the best players are partying every chance they get, but it's fairly common for players to go out partying during the season. On a Monday night when you have the next day off, I'm sure there are quite a few players staying out. It's not even unheard of to see pictures or hear stories about players partying on Friday or Saturday nights before games.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

French, man I like you and all, but that comment is pretty naïve.

Not saying all the best players are partying every chance they get, but it's fairly common for players to go out partying during the season. On a Monday night when you have the next day off, I'm sure there are quite a few players staying out. It's not even unheard of to see pictures or hear stories about players partying on Friday or Saturday nights before games.

Oh yeah I absolutely know that... but I still think it's absurd ! Well not staying out but drinking a lot of alcohol...

[irish]

IMO the real moral of this story is to be careful who you pick a fight with because they could be an NFL player who will beat your ass into the ground or worse yet have a gun and blow you away. Just walk away because you aren't as tough as you think you are.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO the real moral of this story is to be careful who you pick a fight with because they could be an NFL player who will beat your ass into the ground or worse yet have a gun and blow you away. Just walk away because you aren't as tough as you think you are.

Montae had way more to lose. Not only a criminal suit but a potential civil suit could result as well. He could kiss goodbye to a few duckets

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Montae had way more to lose. Not only a criminal suit but a potential civil suit could result as well. He could kiss goodbye to a few duckets

I would be shocked if there wasn't a civil suit, pretty sure when it was found the victim was beat up by an NFL player the lawyers followed the ambulance to the hospital.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO the real moral of this story is to be careful who you pick a fight with because they could be an NFL player who will beat your ass into the ground or worse yet have a gun and blow you away. Just walk away because you aren't as tough as you think you are.

Whats it got to do with being an NFL player? I work with guys every day who would eat your average NFL player for a snack. No question. 100% trained fighters. People equate being in the NFL with being able to fight / be tough, etc. Montae looked OK against what was obviously an untrained / drunk guy who had no clue what to do fight wise.

And a regular guy would absolutely jump at taking the chance to kick an NFL player's ass because we are in the age of everybody having a smart phone and every one wanting their 15 minutes of fame. I think the players are at higher risk putting themselves in bad / testy situations, because there's always someone wanting to test you.

But you hit the nail on the head - just walk away. Because you are right, as tough as you think you might be, you are one gunshot away from being dead, so toughness then doesn't matter.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Whats it got to do with being an NFL player? I work with guys every day who would eat your average NFL player for a snack. No question. 100% trained fighters. People equate being in the NFL with being able to fight / be tough, etc. Montae looked OK against what was obviously an untrained / drunk guy who had no clue what to do fight wise.

And a regular guy would absolutely jump at taking the chance to kick an NFL player's ass because we are in the age of everybody having a smart phone and every one wanting their 15 minutes of fame. I think the players are at higher risk putting themselves in bad / testy situations, because there's always someone wanting to test you.

But you hit the nail on the head - just walk away. Because you are right, as tough as you think you might be, you are one gunshot away from being dead, so toughness then doesn't matter.

Not sure where your coming from, of course your average NFL player is not a trained fighter. As someone who boxed as an amateur from the age 14 to 24 I know a little knowledge and experience in any of the self defense arts goes a long way in a physical altercation against an unskilled opponent. If people have equal skills the bigger stronger guy with a solid chin is going to win 99% of the time. Montae's fighting style would have gotten his butt kicked against someone who was sober with even minimal boxing or other self defense skills, but that was not the case.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Not sure where your coming from, of course your average NFL player is not a trained fighter. As someone who boxed as an amateur from the age 14 to 24 I know a little knowledge and experience in any of the self defense arts goes a long way in a physical altercation against an unskilled opponent. If people have equal skills the bigger stronger guy with a solid chin is going to win 99% of the time. Montae's fighting style would have gotten his butt kicked against someone who was sober with even minimal boxing or other self defense skills, but that was not the case.

I'm in the gym 90% of the time working with fighters, and some folks who are learning the martial arts and trying to find out if being a fighter is for them, So i'm kind of sorry, when I saw Irish's post warning someone about fighting an NFL player, like being in the NFL automatically qualified them for being able to dole out a butt whooping. The lesson to learn, like Irish said, is be careful anytime you get in that situation. In my experience, technique beats size and strength on many occasions. I did agree with their point of walking away in an altercation, because no matter how tough you feel you are, someone can easily shoot you dead, especially in a road rage, etc. incident. This is an incident that we should all learn from. As puffed up and "tough" as Montae may have felt after KO'ing that dude, this could have been a sad story if one of the dude's running buddies / girlfriend, etc., blew him away. That's the crazy world we live in now. There's almost no such thing as a fair fight anymore.

[MTK]

I think Brady is the exception to the rule when it comes to training and diet. Especially when it comes to the younger players I'd guess a good majority of them drink and smoke regularly. You're talking about young guys with $$ in a high stress profession, not only high stress but high pain.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think Brady is the exception to the rule when it comes to training and diet. Especially when it comes to the younger players I'd guess a good majority of them drink and smoke regularly. You're talking about young guys with $$ in a high stress profession, not only high stress but high pain.

A lot of things I've read and heard make me think you're right, but I have to admit it still amazes me...

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