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[oldfan]

I do not agree with the name change. However, whatever they team is called, they will always be the Redskins to me.

Part of this thread is about discrimination. I am tired of the one sided tirades. How many remember the white lines on the busses in Virginia, Washington D.C. and Maryland? Blacks had to stand behind those lines and could not sit in front of them. How about the restaurants that had two separate dining rooms and two separate sets of dishes? Every restaurant on D.C. was that way, including Congress.

Discrimination? Yes. But how about the preference today given to black students entering college, preference for blacks getting business loans, home loans, TBC's (Traditionally Black Colleges), BET (Black Entertainers only awards), NAACP. Does anyone know of a Traditionally White College? Someone tried to start an NAAWP but it was declared a racist organization by the courts thanks to the efforts of the NAACP. The Left yells about slaves, The only slavery in todays world is in North Africa (black countries) and the middle east. There were black slave owners who owned about 200,000 slaves at the time slavery was abolished. The major importer of slaves through the Caribbean was a black man. There is discrimination on both sides.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by oldfan

I do not agree with the name change. However, whatever they team is called, they will always be the Redskins to me.

Part of this thread is about discrimination. I am tired of the one sided tirades. How many remember the white lines on the busses in Virginia, Washington D.C. and Maryland? Blacks had to stand behind those lines and could not sit in front of them. How about the restaurants that had two separate dining rooms and two separate sets of dishes? Every restaurant on D.C. was that way, including Congress.

Discrimination? Yes. But how about the preference today given to black students entering college, preference for blacks getting business loans, home loans, TBC's (Traditionally Black Colleges), BET (Black Entertainers only awards), NAACP. Does anyone know of a Traditionally White College? Someone tried to start an NAAWP but it was declared a racist organization by the courts thanks to the efforts of the NAACP. The Left yells about slaves, The only slavery in todays world is in North Africa (black countries) and the middle east. There were black slave owners who owned about 200,000 slaves at the time slavery was abolished. The major importer of slaves through the Caribbean was a black man. There is discrimination on both sides.

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[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by oldfan

I do not agree with the name change. However, whatever they team is called, they will always be the Redskins to me.

Part of this thread is about discrimination. I am tired of the one sided tirades. How many remember the white lines on the busses in Virginia, Washington D.C. and Maryland? Blacks had to stand behind those lines and could not sit in front of them. How about the restaurants that had two separate dining rooms and two separate sets of dishes? Every restaurant on D.C. was that way, including Congress.

Discrimination? Yes. But how about the preference today given to black students entering college, preference for blacks getting business loans, home loans, TBC's (Traditionally Black Colleges), BET (Black Entertainers only awards), NAACP. Does anyone know of a Traditionally White College? Someone tried to start an NAAWP but it was declared a racist organization by the courts thanks to the efforts of the NAACP. The Left yells about slaves, The only slavery in todays world is in North Africa (black countries) and the middle east. There were black slave owners who owned about 200,000 slaves at the time slavery was abolished. The major importer of slaves through the Caribbean was a black man. There is discrimination on both sides.

OMG.

Never thought I’d hear the “both sides” nonsense here. This post is at the very least tone deaf, more likely it is much, much darker than that. Very sad.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I love all you fuckers. A lot of you guys crack me up for completely different reasons. Punch loves my gameday cussing but disagrees with me on 99.99% of all other subjects. Oklahoma, at this point, not even on purpose, now thinks the opposite of me on anything team related (Haskins is gonna be the man for us)! Matty has such a dry sense of humor (imo) and that is me in real life I think. I didn't even read the post he replied to but I literally laughed out loud to the guy falling into the pool. Chico might literally be related to me. Cousin from a new family tree.

If I ever crave tea or coffee - Jamf is the man with the plan

[Chico23231]

I see the slippery slope framing coming together quite nicely

[Warthog]

You know some things in life may look crazy and ppl get very upset when something changes-BUT the world keeps turning . I’m really dating myself but in 1977 I was there when they brought females to the Air Force Academy. Massive gnashing of teeth, meetings, yelling and many said it would ruin the place, blah, blah, blah. I just went to the school for my 40th reunion and guess what? Women AND gays are just accepted as fact - frankly the place needed a little less testosterone. Besides not matter how much the leadership tried, NO ONE was going to think the Air Force Was rougher and tougher than the Army and Navy/Marines!
The world turns: eventually I flew and served in combat with women and gays. Guess what? We still were / are the world’s biggest ass-kicking machine. No one cares about that stuff anymore.

There were pilots, in the beginning, who were pushed over their abilities, to fill a quota. They died or changed jobs. Mostly the former.

I like the Redskins name, mostly because I could lament the “Deadskins “. I guess when our team is doing badly we’ll call them the worriers or Red Pups or something like that. I sympathize with those that lament the name change. But it just doesn’t effect me the same way. When I was facing a big (justified) change, back in the day, the question was simply: are they good enough? Will they kill themselves or others?. Will they crumble when others are counting on them? For the overwhelming majority of them - THEY COULD do it, and were the same nightmares for the bad guys as for all the generations of American fighters before.

Personally, I know this will be unpopular, but I like the Red Wolves name,if chosen. I thought the Redskins brand was too generic, especially when there were so many great warrior tribes across our land to choose from. I hope it isn’t Warriors because that is sooo overused: like “hero” or “PTSD”. Anyway, I think this change may surprise us and give us some MO into the season.

BTW, HTTR, won’t change that much if they choose Red Wolves. We always had the coolest fight song in the NFL and I hope they continues.

I didn’t go down memory lane to look cool or anything. But sometimes changes are bigger than dropping an 80+ year sports team name. It will be alright! ( that was my airline captain voice). We may experience a little turbulence up ahead......LOL!


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[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Warthog

You know some things in life may look crazy and ppl get very upset when something changes-BUT the world keeps turning . I’m really dating myself but in 1977 I was there when they brought females to the Air Force Academy. Massive gnashing of teeth, meetings, yelling and many said it would ruin the place, blah, blah, blah. I just went to the school for my 40th reunion and guess what? Women AND gays are just accepted as fact - frankly the place needed a little less testosterone. Besides not matter how much the leadership tried, NO ONE was going to think the Air Force Was rougher and tougher than the Army and Navy/Marines!
The world turns: eventually I flew and served in combat with women and gays. Guess what? We still were / are the world’s biggest ass-kicking machine. No one cares about that stuff anymore.

There were pilots, in the beginning, who were pushed over their abilities, to fill a quota. They died or changed jobs. Mostly the former.

I like the Redskins name, mostly because I could lament the “Deadskins “. I guess when our team is doing badly we’ll call them the worriers or Red Pups or something like that. I sympathize with those that lament the name change. But it just doesn’t effect me the same way. When I was facing a big (justified) change, back in the day, the question was simply: are they good enough? Will they kill themselves or others?. Will they crumble when others are counting on them? For the overwhelming majority of them - THEY COULD do it, and were the same nightmares for the bad guys as for all the generations of American fighters before.

Personally, I know this will be unpopular, but I like the Red Wolves name,if chosen. I thought the Redskins brand was too generic, especially when there were so many great warrior tribes across our land to choose from. I hope it isn’t Warriors because that is sooo overused: like “hero” or “PTSD”. Anyway, I think this change may surprise us and give us some MO into the season.

BTW, HTTR, won’t change that much if they choose Red Wolves. We always had the coolest fight song in the NFL and I hope they continues.

I didn’t go down memory lane to look cool or anything. But sometimes changes are bigger than dropping an 80+ year sports team name. It will be alright! ( that was my airline captain voice). We may experience a little turbulence up ahead......LOL!

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1. America is the best country in the world, imo the best the world's ever seen. We are a melting pot. The best does not equal perfect. We're a country of humans, we sin daily, can't eliminate sin from humans in any country or religion. We can be even better. But our work in progress is still fucking amazing.

2. This is beyond unacceptable to me. We're gonna PC people to death? This pisses me off. American's have died so PC people feel good about themselves. Sending people that can't do the job out to do the job they can't do is awful.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

1. America is the best country in the world, imo the best the world's ever seen. We are a melting pot. The best does not equal perfect. We're a country of humans, we sin daily, can't eliminate sin from humans in any country or religion. We can be even better. But our work in progress is still fucking amazing.

2. This is beyond unacceptable to me. We're gonna PC people to death? This pisses me off. American's have died so PC people feel good about themselves. Sending people that can't do the job out to do the job they can't do is awful.

Agree on both accounts SD.

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Personal opinion incoming:

I disagree with the "best country in the world" sentiment.

Not because I think the country I was born in (Germany) or the one I live in (Austria) or any of those I ever visited (England, Scotland, France, Italy, Poland, U.S., Spain, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia, India, South Africa, Romania and that´s just from the top of my head) is the best country in the world.

No, I think there is no best country in the world.

The U.S. has things that I think are great, absolutely great - football, freedom of speech, amazingly different countryside, a lot of great people that I met in my two visits. A ton of other things.

The U.S. also has things that I think are abysmally bad - the health care system, the lack of gun control, the system of voting for judges, coroners and sheriffs. A ton of other things.

But that´s the thing - every country has good and bad things. Yes, some countries have more goods than bads, Sweden, Finland spring instantly to mind for me. Some have a ton more bads than goods - North Korea, Saudia Arabia for example.

But "my country is best" is, in my opinion, nonsense.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by theguyfromoverthere

personal opinion incoming:

I disagree with the "best country in the world" sentiment.

Not because i think the country i was born in (germany) or the one i live in (austria) or any of those i ever visited (england, scotland, france, italy, poland, u.s., spain, czech republic, slovakia, croatia, serbia, india, south africa, romania and that´s just from the top of my head) is the best country in the world.

No, i think there is no best country in the world.

The u.s. Has things that i think are great, absolutely great - football, freedom of speech, amazingly different countryside, a lot of great people that i met in my two visits. A ton of other things.

The u.s. Also has things that i think are abysmally bad - the health care system, the lack of gun control, the system of voting for judges, coroners and sheriffs. A ton of other things.

But that´s the thing - every country has good and bad things. Yes, some countries have more goods than bads, sweden, finland spring instantly to mind for me. Some have a ton more bads than goods - north korea, saudia arabia for example.

But "my country is best" is, in my opinion, nonsense.

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[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

Personal opinion incoming:

I disagree with the "best country in the world" sentiment.

Not because I think the country I was born in (Germany) or the one I live in (Austria) or any of those I ever visited (England, Scotland, France, Italy, Poland, U.S., Spain, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia, India, South Africa, Romania and that´s just from the top of my head) is the best country in the world.

No, I think there is no best country in the world.

The U.S. has things that I think are great, absolutely great - football, freedom of speech, amazingly different countryside, a lot of great people that I met in my two visits. A ton of other things.

The U.S. also has things that I think are abysmally bad - the health care system, the lack of gun control, the system of voting for judges, coroners and sheriffs. A ton of other things.

But that´s the thing - every country has good and bad things. Yes, some countries have more goods than bads, Sweden, Finland spring instantly to mind for me. Some have a ton more bads than goods - North Korea, Saudia Arabia for example.

But "my country is best" is, in my opinion, nonsense.

Yep, you hit all the points. I'm born and raised in America and I don't consider America as the best country in the world.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

Personal opinion incoming:

I disagree with the "best country in the world" sentiment.

Not because I think the country I was born in (Germany) or the one I live in (Austria) or any of those I ever visited (England, Scotland, France, Italy, Poland, U.S., Spain, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia, India, South Africa, Romania and that´s just from the top of my head) is the best country in the world.

No, I think there is no best country in the world.

The U.S. has things that I think are great, absolutely great - football, freedom of speech, amazingly different countryside, a lot of great people that I met in my two visits. A ton of other things.

The U.S. also has things that I think are abysmally bad - the health care system, the lack of gun control, the system of voting for judges, coroners and sheriffs. A ton of other things.

But that´s the thing - every country has good and bad things. Yes, some countries have more goods than bads, Sweden, Finland spring instantly to mind for me. Some have a ton more bads than goods - North Korea, Saudia Arabia for example.

But "my country is best" is, in my opinion, nonsense.

Ich meine mich das auch.

I think comparing the USA to Germany or the USA to Canada or Germany to Sweden is kind of silly. It's like arguing whether the Beatles or the Stones are the best band or a 65 Mustang is better than a 68 Camaro.

I will say that I do think The West- most of Europe, the US & Canada, Australia & New Zealand, and Japan plus South Korea and maybe Taiwan- is better than the rest of the world. Democratic governance and free markets have succeeded like no other combo.

I studied in Germany and greatly enjoyed it. It is obviously a successful country. There were some things I found maddening about it, but it is vastly better than places like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or Venezuela, to name a few.

But every place is great in its own way.

[rocnrik]

Yep .. we are not as FREE as we thought we were !! And what is bad is the hypocrisy about it all .. let’s be clear the NFL does not care one bit about anybody’s cause .. especially black people , this latest stunt from them is there way of appearing to care in front of fans ( name change) .. lots of examples about the league not letting players wear messages for great causes .. the media is the number one issue in this country .. they want everything to burn and all of us to divide .. that sells ! Plenty of examples out there of that hypocrisy.. I understand we need police reform .. I understand that black and women need equality in the job market ( has there ever been a black NFL commissioner?? The nfl is a damn joke ! Let’s see some more Black head coaches , black owners!! Don’t believe the nfl is is on your side because they want the redskins to change name ..

[Monkeydad]

Media bias is just disgusting.

I've relied on Rotoworld for years for sports news, mostly for fantasy purposes.

Last night's post:


https://www.rotoworld.com/football/n.../daniel-snyder

USA Today's Mike Jones reports Washington owner Dan Snyder will announce a name change for the organization on Monday.
After 21 years and a handful of fights to keep the team's racist moniker alive, Snyder's ignorance will finally be toppled by those — Nike, FedEx, the United States Congress — who filled his pockets with team sponsorships in the first place. Not only will the organization finally retire the slur on Monday morning, Jones reports the team will announce its new name immediately thereafter. The Red Tails, Red Wolves, and Washington Warriors have all been rumored. This is a night to celebrate for years to come.

SOURCE: Mike Jones on Twitter
Jul 12, 2020, 10:22 PM ET

I really resent the name being called a slur and implying fans are racists...and no, it's a very sad day, not a day to celebrate.

[rocnrik]

Then what country is ... serious about that .. I really want to know