Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

The clothesline was pretty obvious yet no call. Brunell the savy vet throws it up for grabs and is bailed out by a call, the Refs could have missed the call just like the clothesline. That is my point about a make up call. Bottom line you don't want your team's chances to hinge on the Zebras.

Trust me, I want Ramsey to start next week. I don't often defend Brunell, but he deserves to be defended when it comes to that interception that was called back. Moss was definately prevented from getting to the spot where he should have been (and where Brunell threw it). I understand and agree with your point that you don't want your team's chances of winning to hinge on a single call. However, we can't fault Brunell for Moss being held and I actually think that throw that was picked (and later called back) was pretty good.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Trust me, I want Ramsey to start next week. I don't often defend Brunell, but he deserves to be defended when it comes to that interception that was called back. Moss was definately prevented from getting to the spot where he should have been (and where Brunell threw it). I understand and agree with your point that you don't want your team's chances of winning to hinge on a single call. However, we can't fault Brunell for Moss being held and I actually think that throw that was picked (and later called back) was pretty good.

You are probably right...I just cannot stand having Brunell as the QB. Ultimately his play style of playing not too loose, instead of playing to win will result in the Skins loosing. Watching the Ravens Colts game and there have been several throws were Manning is forcing the ball in, makes one wonder if Gibbs would yank Manning for more of a game manager QB.

I am tired of people calling Ramsey a 'turnover' machine...wonder what these same fans said of a certain other QB whos last name started with an 'R' and for one season was a fumble machine. If you said Mark Rypien, congrats! I cannot remember if fumble machine Rypien was before or after the '91 season when the team was an offensive juggernaut.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

If Brunell starts next week, I will officially be pissed. Ramsey did nothing to lose the job and the offense didn't look anywhere near as impotent when he was in...

Guys, I really like Ramsey and want him to start for us, but some things are obvious. Gibbs made it very clear that he could not and would not allow his QB (or anyone else) to turn the ball over on offense especially in the redzone. In less than 2 quarters of his first chance to prove he could do that, Ramsey throws an int and fumbles twice. One of those fumbles cost us three points.

Now, the one fumble was recovered by us, but that doesn't make me feel any better about Ramsey's pocket presence. The int was just bad. The second fumble should have been given back to us via a penalty, but Ramsey still needs to feel the pass rush and tuck and duck.

First, he doesn't scare anyone so they just pin back thier ears and come after him. Not good considering how many times he loses the ball when he gets hit.

Second, Brunnel can move around in the pocket, aviod the pass rush, seems to have a better arm then last year, and has a grasp on Gibbs offense.

I can see why Gibbs likes Brunnel over Ramsey. Especially with the Skins defense.

Ramsey won the starting job last year and should enjoy some support for a couple of games while he irons things out with his new recievers... but... Gibbs is going to go with whoever he thinks gives the skins the best chance to win. With our defense, I think that is going to be the guy who doesn't turn the ball over.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Guys, I really like Ramsey and want him to start for us, but some things are obvious. Gibbs made it very clear that he could not and would not allow his QB (or anyone else) to turn the ball over on offense especially in the redzone. In less than 2 quarters of his first chance to prove he could do that, Ramsey throws an int and fumbles twice. One of those fumbles cost us three points.

Now, the one fumble was recovered by us, but that doesn't make me feel any better about Ramsey's pocket presence. The int was just bad. The second fumble should have been given back to us via a penalty, but Ramsey still needs to feel the pass rush and tuck and duck.

First, he doesn't scare anyone so they just pin back thier ears and come after him. Not good considering how many times he loses the ball when he gets hit.

Second, Brunnel can move around in the pocket, aviod the pass rush, seems to have a better arm then last year, and has a grasp on Gibbs offense.

I can see why Gibbs likes Brunnel over Ramsey. Especially with the Skins defense.

Ramsey won the starting job last year and should enjoy some support for a couple of games while he irons things out with his new recievers... but... Gibbs is going to go with whoever he thinks gives the skins the best chance to win. With our defense, I think that is going to be the guy who doesn't turn the ball over.

Nice post.

[FRPLG]

Plain and simple...outside of the one pick Ramsey looked better at QB today. Admittedly they went super conservative when Brunell came in but Ramsey moved the ball somewhat better and certainly got more secondary respect. I was at the game and could watch the secondary in totallity, they were more on their heels with Ramsey in than Brunell. Overall the offense looked more in sync than most of last year and without the three turnovers the Skins dominated. They ran all over the Bears and were pretty lock down on defense. The red zone execution looked terrible and really was but that is something can hopefully be ironed out with better play calling and more focus on execution. I am concerned about the lack of downfield throwing(sounds familiar) but I think Gibbs really thinks a lot of the defense and against a crappy team like the Bears he just wanted to survive. I think our defense being so good is somewhat of a curse in that it does cause Gibbs to shut down a bit and play to not lose. But it s curse I'd rather have than not.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Nice post.

I'll second that, nice to see a level headed post.

[RedskinRat]

Let's just be happy we have a good back-up this season.

[DirtBagZ]

Sorry guys...cannot be level headed during these Brunell vs. Ramsey threads. Guess I will have to change my name to RamseyFan2...just kidding. Brunell did not loose the game, we won, I should be happy.

[EternalEnigma21]

You just hate to see Ramsey go out like that. He has never really had a normal opportunity. I know everything is circumstancial, but I don't think I've ever seen as much talent stifled by circumstances in my life. (coaching changes, being benched, being killed by defenses, injuries, lack of confidence, and an ever-present qb contraversy)

[backrow]

Ramsey, Brunnell. Brunnell, Ramsey. Ramsey, Brunnell. Brunnell, Ramsey. I like Sonny!

[NYCSkin]

For two straight seasons Gibbs has tried to replace Ramsey--one through FA, the other through the draft (and we overpaid in both cases). That alone should confirm that Ramsey is not Gibbs' guy.
Now lets look at history. Doug Williams was eased in after Jay Schroeder got hurt, while Mark Rypien took Doug Williams' job when he was injured (does anybody remember Williams' tearing up on Channel 9?!?). I will be shocked if it is not Brunell is not tapped to start next week--regardless of how Ramseys neck is...

[STPainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Moss practically had his jersey ripped off on the play, it was clearly PI, not a return the favor call.

Definitely a real pass interference the defender had a fist full of jersey and dragged Moss to the ground. This was not a make up call this was the only call that a person who has functioning vision could call. So what I'm trying to say is that it is a miracle that the refs in the game got this call right.

[STPainmaker]

I think Gibbs will eventually learn that Brunell won't be a winning QB with our team he may take away mistakes but he makes our offense very one dimensional. The skins have made countless player personnel mistakes in his short tenure. I think we as a team need to realize this or perish Ramsey should be given this year, and if that doesn't work we must go another way. Another way doesn't include Brunnel.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

As much as I love Ramsey and would like to see him start next week, I can't really get livid with him if he goes with Brunell. Ramsey's three drives went like this - interception, fumble (recovered) and punt, and fumble (lost).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

As much as I love Ramsey and would like to see him start next week, I can't really get livid with him if he goes with Brunell. Ramsey's three drives went like this - interception, fumble (recovered) and punt, and fumble (lost).

I'm with you, I want Ramsey to play and be successful, but the proof is right there, he played 3 series and threw 1 INT and fumbled twice.

I really can't blame Gibbs if he doesn't have 100% confidence in him right now, how can you?

With this defense and running game, the last thing we need is the QB turning it over.

Like it or not, this is the kind of team we are, we're going to win by running the ball and playing hard nosed defense.

Perhaps Brunell is the exact kind of QB we need right now. I don't understand all the hate people still have for him. He played well in the preseason and he was efficient again today. Nothing spectacular, but he didn't turn it over and he converted on some key 3rd downs to keep drives moving.