Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)

[skinsfaninok]

I don't think we overspent on Griffin but I do believe Scot will eventually pay kirk 18M or so a yr. Also they can tag him 2 years in a row if need be but I'm sure it'll get done eventually.

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[MTK]

The tag next year will be $24M... It's best for both sides to get a deal done now.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

The tag next year will be $24M... It's best for both sides to get a deal done now.

I agree.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

The tag next year will be $24M... It's best for both sides to get a deal done now.

I'm sort of in the camp of tagging him this year, letting him prove himself, and rewarding him next year. Might be a bigger contract, but at least you know Cousins is definitely for real. Anyway, wouldn't teams have to give up first round picks to grab him this year if he's tagged? If so, tag him and take that chance.

[over the mountain]

No further talks are scheduled, the source told Schefter. Another source recently told ESPN that the two sides were not close in earlier discussions and that the gap had not been closed in the ensuing weeks.

Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins break off contract negotiations

Im really curious to know what Cousins and his agent Mike McCartney want.

If he wants more than 17-18 mil per for 4 years, 50% guaranteed .. i wouldnt hesitate to tag him.

I think Cousins has high value in this system throwing the ball to Jordan Reed/Jackson/Garcon. I think Cousins does not do as well on the 31 other teams.

I dont mind the idea of tagging him and letting him prove himself for another year.

if he wants to gamble that he has a healthy and equally productive 2016 and not take the "your family is set for life" offer now .. god bless him and good luck.

Cousins you are one blown 1 acl away. Take the guaranteed money my friend. You are looking at 35 mil or so guaranteed no matter what happens ... but you want to roll the dice for a few mil more?

good luck with that.

[irish]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

No further talks are scheduled, the source told Schefter. Another source recently told ESPN that the two sides were not close in earlier discussions and that the gap had not been closed in the ensuing weeks.

Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins break off contract negotiations

Im really curious to know what Cousins and his agent Mike McCartney want.

If he wants more than 17-18 mil per for 4 years, 50% guaranteed .. i wouldnt hesitate to tag him.

I think Cousins has high value in this system throwing the ball to Jordan Reed/Jackson/Garcon. I think Cousins does not do as well on the 31 other teams.

I dont mind the idea of tagging him and letting him prove himself for another year.

if he wants to gamble that he has a healthy and equally productive 2016 and not take the "your family is set for life" offer now .. god bless him and good luck.

Cousins you are one blown 1 acl away. Take the guaranteed money my friend. You are looking at 35 mil or so guaranteed no matter what happens ... but you want to roll the dice for a few mil more?

good luck with that.

IMO KC and his agent know the Skins really have no viable replacement at QB. Colt isn't a starter and RG's ship has sailed with this coaching staff. Bringing in a free agent who can start wont be much cheaper and it will be another lost year while he learns the system/playbook. I have to believe KC and his agent are using this as a bargaining chip to try to get more out of the Skins and I dont blame them but its obvious to anyone paying attention that what's best for all is to KC to resign.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO KC and his agent know the Skins really have no viable replacement at QB. Colt isn't a starter and RG's ship has sailed with this coaching staff. Bringing in a free agent who can start wont be much cheaper and it will be another lost year while he learns the system/playbook. I have to believe KC and his agent are using this as a bargaining chip to try to get more out of the Skins and I dont blame them but its obvious to anyone paying attention that what's best for all is to KC to resign.

i like the skins bargaining chip - well just tag you at 20 mil and let you decide to walk away from fair guaranteed money in the hopes you dont get hurt or regress.

every single snap, whether in practice or regular season, could be your last. an acl injury puts him out for the year, then he rehabs, has to re-prove himself .... suddenly he is 30 and a question mark.

cousins still has some to prove. i have him penciled in as a 10-15 best QB, i think he thinks he is top 10 written in permanent marker.

the guy had 8 or so really good games.

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if Cousins wants north of 20 mil per, why even negotiate with him? that is about the tag money but without the long term commitment.

[irish]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i like the skins bargaining chip - well just tag you at 20 mil and let you decide to walk away from fair guaranteed money in the hopes you dont get hurt or regress.

every single snap, whether in practice or regular season, could be your last. an acl injury puts him out for the year, then he rehabs, has to re-prove himself .... suddenly he is 30 and a question mark.

cousins still has some to prove. i have him penciled in as a 10-15 best QB, i think he thinks he is top 10 written in permanent marker.

the guy had 8 or so really good games.

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if Cousins wants north of 20 mil per, why even negotiate with him? that is about the tag money but without the long term commitment.

For sure the Skins have bargaining chip or two as well. I have no problem with KC getting as much as he can get and I have no problem with the Skins wanting the best deal for themselves. I just hope nobody does anything stupid that creates so many hard feelings that it poisons the well.

[Chico23231]

There are a couple facts about Cousins and the Skins:

Cousins will be back next year...whether its a tag or a deal, and I really don't care.

The other fact is Bruce and McC are not doing a stupid contract. Vinny is long gone and even the Bruce contracts, hit or miss, are not bad contracts.

The story of the Cousins contract is gonna get...already actually... annoying this offseason.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There are a couple facts about Cousins and the Skins:



Cousins will be back next year...whether its a tag or a deal, and I really don't care.



The other fact is Bruce and McC are not doing a stupid contract. Vinny is long gone and even the Bruce contracts, hit or miss, are not bad contracts.



The story of the Cousins contract is gonna get...already actually... annoying this offseason.

Agreed on all counts.

[Alvin Walton]

Source: Washington, Cousins haven’t broken off talks | ProFootballTalk

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Source: Washington, Cousins haven’t broken off talks | ProFootballTalk

If they are talking or not, it doesn't effing matter. July 15th is the last day to get a long term deal done. none of this matters

[skinsfan69]

My only issue is that I really don't trust Snyder or Allen when it comes to KC. They're probably both still a bit upset that Griffin didn't work out. The other side kind of tells me that this is common. See Russell Wilson last year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

My only issue is that I really don't trust Snyder or Allen when it comes to KC. They're probably both still a bit upset that Griffin didn't work out. The other side kind of tells me that this is common. See Russell Wilson last year.

This is common. Neither side has much incentive to get this done now (this typically happens with anything NFL-related). And at the end of the day, the Redskins have the tag, which can (and likely will) extend these negotiations into the season.

Once the season gets underway, the pressure will be on Kirk to get the deal done. The tag will give him 20-24 mil for the season, but I believe it is not guaranteed.

[Chico23231]

I don't see how RG3 has anything remotely to do with this.