BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Question: When we win the SB next year Will anyone say - yes but he won it with the team Cerrato built?

I look forward to that problem.

To me the biggest issue here is not whether Allen (or Vinny for that matter) is the person to lead the team. The biggest issue is that we have overhauled the organizational structure. Even if Allen fails, presumably we will bring in another real GM and continue to have a real FO structure.

Thank you Snyder!

[rypper11]

Bruce F%^&#&^% Allen. Thank you Danny.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Bruce F%^&#&^% Allen. Thank you Danny.

So I take it you are one of the 3?

[doughtydoubter]

thanks danny

[DBUCHANON101]

Lets see how the offseason goes... Hopefully this isnt a move that we will regret in 2 years.

[rbanerjee23]

I cannot believe it, I hope he gives Zorn a little longer...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I cannot believe it, I hope he gives Zorn a little longer...

I'm sure he'll give him 3 games.

[DBUCHANON101]

I know we are all glad that VC is gone but i was looking at some of Allen's past drafts and i cant see how he is any better. please enlighten me on something i may have missed.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I know we are all glad that VC is gone but i was looking at some of Allen's past drafts and i cant see how he is any better. please enlighten me on something i may have missed.

A ridiculous amount of OL acquired in the draft and free agency, including 5 in a single draft during 1998. He was strapped by Buc's management in terms of spending, a problem that you won't see with Snyder. On top of that he has experience, and success, while working with a meddlesome owner in Al Davis. In fact the last time the Raiders were relevant was when Allen was picking players. He also understands what it means to be a Redskin.

He was also responsible for drafting guys in Tampa like Rudd, Trueblood, Davin Joseph, and Aquib Talib. On top of that theres probably a lot of guys drafted by Tampa that are currently solid role players, for example if you were looking over guys drafted in the late rounds by the Redskins like Doughty and Montgomery you would probably think they were wasted picks, when in reality they're solid role players for us.

He also seems to be famous for drafting a lot of one year wonders like Cadillac and Michael Clayton. Of course he also acquired Joey Galloway when Clayton started to struggle. No idea what is going on with Aaron Sears but it seems like he's had one to many concussions. Still he was a very good player when he was healthy.

The one thing I do know though is our problems along the Offensive Line are going to get fixed this offseason. Anything after that is gravy.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I know we are all glad that VC is gone but i was looking at some of Allen's past drafts and i cant see how he is any better. please enlighten me on something i may have missed.

I think what VC proved is that you can make good choices with what picks you have, and that's not enough. Allen will have good picks, and busts, probably at a higher rate, but we will have more picks, and less throwaway picks. I don't see him giving up a 2nd and 6th for example for that guy from Miami. In addition, and much more importantly, he will rebuild a healthy team environment, and will - i believe - not play cushy toes with the owner OR "special" players, at least not to the detriment of the team. (what goes on behind closed doors stays behind closed doors ). Further, we will have a better respect and credibility around the team, something lacking under VC and that should indeed lead to a better future. If you just look at drafts VC could make a case for himself staying. But he failed at the totality of the EVPOFO or whatever he was. Bruce Allen seems to have proven that he is, at the least, capable of running a professional organization. I can live with that.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I know we are all glad that VC is gone but i was looking at some of Allen's past drafts and i cant see how he is any better. please enlighten me on something i may have missed.

Why is it that some people have to complain about everything? Vinny is gone, and this hiring is a start in the right direction. I could care less of what Bruce Allen's draft history is, this is a new start for him. When he was in Tampa he had a owner who didnt like to spend money for players, that is not a problem here.

We all should be happy that Danny boy has decided to take a new approach on how to run this team. This is want all Redskins fans wanted to see, and it came true. I know we havent had a good run organization since he took over as owner, so hopefully this is a start in the right directions. As Redskins fans all we have is hope.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Why is it that some people have to complain about everything? Vinny is gone, and this hiring is a start in the right direction. I could care less of what Bruce Allen's draft history is, this is a new start for him. When he was in Tampa he had a owner who didnt like to spend money for players, that is not a problem here.

We all should be happy that Danny boy has decided to take a new approach on how to run this team. This is want all Redskins fans wanted to see, and it came true. I know we havent had a good run organization since he took over as owner, so hopefully this is a start in the right directions. As Redskins fans all we have is hope.

1. Im not complaining, im just showing his drafts where as all i hear on here is that most of us want to build the team through the draft and not high priced free agents. From what you posted we are right back at square one in that regard.
2. Yeah he -Allen-drafts a buttload of Olinemen, have any of them been anything other than stopgap players? for how many he brought in there are many busts on these lists.
3. I never blamed VC for what happened on the field, he has brought in some good young talent in the past drafts that have started to show why they were selected. RAK,DT and FD are coming on strong and you could find many others that have made solid contributions to this team. FA's like Carter,AH and Fletcher have been awesome for us as well. Yeah there were hits and misses but you have to look at the overall product.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

1. Im not complaining, im just showing his drafts where as all i hear on here is that most of us want to build the team through the draft and not high priced free agents. From what you posted we are right back at square one in that regard.
2. Yeah he -Allen-drafts a buttload of Olinemen, have any of them been anything other than stopgap players? for how many he brought in there are many busts on these lists.
3. I never blamed VC for what happened on the field, he has brought in some good young talent in the past drafts that have started to show why they were selected. RAK,DT and FD are coming on strong and you could find many others that have made solid contributions to this team. FA's like Carter,AH and Fletcher have been awesome for us as well. Yeah there were hits and misses but you have to look at the overall product.

No we arent starting off at square one. I am not saying we need to overpay for over the hill players anymore, but you do need to add a few pieces through free agency and we have a owner who will spend money.

Ok since your not complaining who would have you liked to see Danny Boy bring in to be the GM?

[DBUCHANON101]

Bucs 2008 Draft Results
Rd. # Player Position College
1 20 Aqib Talib DB Kansas
2 52 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah OG Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes LB FSU
6 Acq Michael Bennett RB Wisconsin
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina
7 Acq Jake Plummer QB Arizona State
Bucs 2007 Draft Results
Rd. # Player Position College
1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears OG Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli DB Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson DB Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DE N.C. Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland
6 214 Chris Denman OT Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton DB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama
Bucs 2006 Draft Results
Rd. # Player Position College
1 23 Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood OT Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis DB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE N.C. State
7 235 Justin Phinisee DB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett LB Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan
Bucs 2005 Draft Results
Rd. # Player Position College
1 5 Carnell Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex
Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer OT N.C. State
4 107 Dan Buenning OG Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins WR Pearl River C.C.
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington St.
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville
Bucs 2004 Draft Results
Rd. # Player Position College
1 15 Michael Clayton WR LSU
3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington
4 111 Will
Allen DB Ohio State
5 146 Jeb Terry OG North Carolina
6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth
7 252 Lenny Williams DB Southern
I cant say im too impressed. ill check the Raiders draft picks.

[DBUCHANON101]

Round Overall Player Position School
1 31 Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
1 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
2 63 Teyo Johnson TE Stanford
3 83 Sam Williams DE Fresno State
3 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
4 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
5 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
6 204 Dustin Rykert BYU
7 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
7 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus

Oakland Raiders - 2002
Round Overall Player Position School
1 17 Phillip Buchanon CB Miami (FL)
1 23 Napoleon Harris MLB Northwestern
2 53 Langston Walker T California
2 55 Doug Jolley TE BYU
5 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State (GA)
6 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
7 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina

Oakland Raiders - 2001
Round Overall Player Position School
1 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
5 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
6 184 Chris Cooper DT Nebraska-Omaha
7 228 Derek Combs DB Ohio State
7 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State

Oakland Raiders - 2000
Round Overall Player Position School
1 17 Sebastian Janikowski KFlorida State
2 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
4 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
5 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
7 227 Mondriel Fulcher TE Miami (FL)
7 231 Clifton Black Texas State

Oakland Raiders - 1999
Round Overall Player Position School
1 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
4 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
5 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 153 Rod Coleman DT East Carolina
6 188 Daren Yancey BYU
7 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (OH)

Oakland Raiders - 1998
Round Overall Player Position School
1 4 Charles Woodson CB Michigan
1 23 Mo Collins T Florida
2 31 Leon Bender Washington State
3 63 Jon Ritchie RB Stanford
4 109 Gennaro DiNapoli G Virginia Tech
5 127 Jeremy Brigham TE Washington
5 152 Travian Smith LB Oklahoma
7 230 Vince Amey DE Arizona State
7 235 David Sanders Arkansas

Oakland Raiders - 1997
Round Overall Player Position School
1 2 Darrell Russell DE USC
3 72 Adam Treu G Nebraska
3 85 Tim Kohn G Iowa State
4 123 Chad Levitt RB Cornell
6 172 Calvin Branch CB Colorado State
6 193 Grady Jackson DE Knoxville