Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

If you can't see a 6'5" 300 pound opponent coming straight for you in time to side step to make him miss (Like old slow Peyton Manning or Tom Brady)
or minimize the hit you never will.

Actually "pocket presence" and what I would call "football instincts" are mostly in your DNA you either have them or don't, you don't improve them
much with practice...

I am afraid RG3 is missing some natural instincts needed to succeed as an NFL
QB...

Exactly!

[irish]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

If you can't see a 6'5" 300 pound opponent coming straight for you in time to side step to make him miss (Like old slow Peyton Manning or Tom Brady)
or minimize the hit you never will.

Actually "pocket presence" and what I would call "football instincts" are mostly in your DNA you either have them or don't, you don't improve them
much with practice. Think of someone who you would consider a lifetime bad driver, someone who hits pot holes, road junk and critters with regularity, even though they have been driving for decades. Under the same road conditions you spot a ground hog running across the road 1/4 mile ahead.

Hate to use myself as an example in the late 70's early 80's I struggled to start at linebacker at a D3 college. I had measurables that a lot of high NFL picks don't have today. I had a 3.88 GPA in High School and 3.75 GPA in college. Yet my football I.Q. was too low to even register and I played all the way back to 5th grade flag football. I paid attention at practice and teammates tried to tutor me after practice. No one bit on fakes or tackled the guy without the ball more than me. I was missing something I could not acquire.

I am afraid RG3 is missing some natural instincts needed to succeed as an NFL
QB. He is like the bad driver that is always running over or into things.

I think RG3 has football instincts but they are not the kind of instincts that make for an elite NFL QB. In college he could work without a playbook and rely on instinct to run and throw and play at a high level. That doesnt work in the pros where a QB cant just improvise and rely on his superior talent since everyone has superior talent. The bottom line is, RG3's skill set is not a good fit for an NFL QB.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by irish

I think RG3 has football instincts but they are not the kind of instincts that make for an elite NFL QB. In college he could work without a playbook and rely on instinct to run and throw and play at a high level. That doesnt work in the pros where a QB cant just improvise and rely on his superior talent since everyone has superior talent. The bottom line is, RG3's skill set is not a good fit for an NFL QB.

Well, maybe RG3 can be successful in the CFL, since it is a more wide open game.

[irish]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Well, maybe RG3 can be successful in the CFL, since it is a more wide open game.

I dont know, its 3 down football so passing is even more important in the CFL than it is in the NFL.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.

I think you mean David Carr,although Derrick might get there soon enough

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think you mean David Carr,although Derrick might get there soon enough

Yup...I did mean David Carr....although you are right about Derrick Carr

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by calia

Thanks for posting - nice to hear something positive in this thread.


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What do you expect in a thread about RG-3? To a man I think everyone here wants to post great things about him for obvious reasons - we are all Redskins fans. Unfortunately we can only talk about what we see and it has been ugly. If I thought that posting positive vibes for Griff would help him be a better qb id be rah rah rah-ing all over the place! Lol

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by punch it in

What do you expect in a thread about RG-3? To a man I think everyone here wants to post great things about him for obvious reasons - we are all Redskins fans. Unfortunately we can only talk about what we see and it has been ugly. If I thought that posting positive vibes for Griff would help him be a better qb id be rah rah rah-ing all over the place! Lol

Well Said!

[Flyer97]

I was a homer all the way til the Zorn debacle. After that, I just became a total cynic, then after the McNabb and Shanny/RG III garbage I got to the point that I was seriously considering just dropping the team. It is very hard to see the positive side of things when you get a continuous stream of BS thrown your way. I hope Scotty M and the end of this RG III drama will exorcise the demons that Snyder's lunacy has begotten us!!!!

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I would trade Griffin now for whatever we could get..I am not sure there is a team in the NFL the he could be the number 2 QB for..who would it be??..who wants the drama and the injuries..you have to figure that into it. Right now if Rglll was cut outright and we were not on the hook for his salary the Redskins would be in a much better place ..

You aren't going to get squat for him. You think scouts are going to see any positives if he can't stay on the field at all? The Skins are tied with the Raiders for being the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL, and do you think somebody is going to want a QB that can't make it on the Skins?

[KI Skins Fan]

If you think it's negative around here now, wait until you see what it's like after the Ravens game. In view of the way the Ravens were handled by the Eagles, they are no doubt ready to rip somebody a new one - and Robert is the poor soul in their sights.

[Bangee7]

like most, I have grown tired of the RG3 saga....all day, every day!

If the kid can start to play solidly & start showing the maturity as a QB that he should exhibit by now, then I'm 100% behind him.

I was all for giving him the first 4-5 games this year, but if "RG3-and-Out" keeps showing up, then I am ready to see if KC has matured enough against the starters.

I hope to see the answer in the Baltimore game this weekend...one way or the other.

Hail!

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by punch it in

What do you expect in a thread about RG-3? To a man I think everyone here wants to post great things about him for obvious reasons - we are all Redskins fans. Unfortunately we can only talk about what we see and it has been ugly. If I thought that posting positive vibes for Griff would help him be a better qb id be rah rah rah-ing all over the place! Lol

Even if he does improve and becomes a decent pocket passer, the guy is bound to get killed at one point or another with our schedule, especially the first 5-6 games against Miami and our divisional rivals. The loss of two starters doesn't help either.

[Flyer97]

The saga just might end on opening day if Suh and co want to come out like gangbusters and prove a point, sending a message to New England, etc.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Bucket

That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.

And as the article points out, it's fine and dandy that he still completed a pass, but he could have had a first down and instead put the Offense in yet another 3rd and long situation. The primary read was as open as you can ask for in the NFL.