Sean Taylor Spitting Video (merged)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.

You are correct sir, nice call!

A battery is the willful or intentional touching of a person against that person’s will by another person, or by an object or substance put in motion by that other person. Please note that an offensive touching can constitute a battery even if it does not cause injury, and could not reasonably be expected to cause injury. A defendant who emphatically pokes the plaintiff in the chest with his index finger to emphasize a point may be culpable for battery (although the damages award that results may well be nominal). A defendant who spits on a plaintiff, even though there is little chance that the spitting will cause any injury other than to the plaintiff's dignity, has committed a battery.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/per...t_battery.html

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

And here come the lefties LOL

huh?

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

huh?

Sorry, I've just been on a big Bill O'Riley bashing kick lately, and everytime someone makes a valid point about anything different from his opinoins he calls them far lefties, and radicals and goes into a culture war tantrum. I guess the post was just for my benefit... I'll keep those type things to myself in the future.

[firstdown]

The ref made the correct call and got it right when he said to the skins player. What would have you done if someone spit in your face? I do not remember who he said that to but they just turned away as if to say to the ref your right.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Sorry, I've just been on a big Bill O'Riley bashing kick lately, and everytime someone makes a valid point about anything different from his opinoins he calls them far lefties, and radicals and goes into a culture war tantrum. I guess the post was just for my benefit... I'll keep those type things to myself in the future.

ah - now it's funny!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fines aren't levied for punches because they are a more understandable element of the game than spitting. It's understood that players may lose their cool and throw a punch, but it's not acceptable to spit. It's a social norm in the NFL I guess.

Just curious, if the roles were reversed, if Pittman spit at Taylor, would you have the same exact opinion of the incident?? I'm sure you'll say yes for the sake of supporting your "unemotional views", but I'm inclined to think you wouldn't have the same view.

Then you're inclined to be wrong, and from what I've seen you're inclined to be a judgmental person. You obviously are letting your disgust and respect dictate how you feel about punishments regarding spitting, and you are jumping to conclusions in assuming that my opinions would change were a different player involved. It's very judgmental of you, and to be honest I'm slightly annoyed that you would jump to that conclusion about me.

As long as I've been here I feel like I have been a very fair member of the Warpath. No matter the issue, I feel like I state my opinions (albeit strongly) in a very fair and consistent manner. I don't feel like I've given you any reason to believe that I am such a "homer", and it's a bit annoying to be classified that way.

I'm a big boy and it won't be an issue going forward, I just wish you'd cool it with this passing judgment trend you're on right now.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm sure you're well aware that what happens on a football field is FAR different from what happens on the street.

Sorry if I'm on a high horse to you, I simply think spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch, and alot of people in the NFL seem to agree.

You don't hear about guys getting fined $17,500 for throwing a punch, do you?? I wonder why.

Sorry to stray a little bit, but I think a large part of the stigma associated with spitting is first cultural and then personal. Football is seen as an old school game played by men with honor, and as long as men act like men (hit, punch, kick), our conditioned minds are trained to think nothing of it.

Spitting is interesting because it isn't seen as a very "manly" thing to do around these parts, and because the "disgust factor" against bodily secretions is ingrained in most of our minds. Hence the description of the act as vile, disgusting, heinous, etc.

Take for e.g., the Arab world. Many of the Iraqi prisoners that were subject to the atrocities in Abu Ghraib prison have come out saying that they'd rather have been shot than sexually humiliated in the way they were. Me, on the other hand, I'd whack off in front of a woman in uniform than take a bullet to the head anyday (but that's just me). Its both cultural and personal.

[Gmanc711]

Can we just drop this already?? What Sean Taylor did was wrong, the punishment fit the crime. Should Pittman have been flagged??? Who cares! We won anyways. As soon as Taylor takes one to the house again, everyones gonna forget about it, just move on.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

I'd whack off in front of a woman in uniform than take a bullet to the head anyday (but that's just me). Its both cultural and personal.

Where is this prison again??? do they let you in for free?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Can we just drop this already?? What Sean Taylor did was wrong, the punishment fit the crime. Should Pittman have been flagged??? Who cares! We won anyways. As soon as Taylor takes one to the house again, everyones gonna forget about it, just move on.

You know that just wouldn't be us though.

Last week it was Arrington, now it's the spitting incident.

We can't be content just talking about our first playoff appearance since '99, we need drama!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Sorry to stray a little bit, but I think a large part of the stigma associated with spitting is first cultural and then personal. Football is seen as an old school game played by men with honor, and as long as men act like men (hit, punch, kick), our conditioned minds are trained to think nothing of it.

Spitting is interesting because it isn't seen as a very "manly" thing to do around these parts, and because the "disgust factor" against bodily secretions is ingrained in most of our minds. Hence the description of the act as vile, disgusting, heinous, etc.

Take for e.g., the Arab world. Many of the Iraqi prisoners that were subject to the atrocities in Abu Ghraib prison have come out saying that they'd rather have been shot than sexually humiliated in the way they were. Me, on the other hand, I'd whack off in front of a woman in uniform than take a bullet to the head anyday (but that's just me). Its both cultural and personal.

nice take

[onlydarksets]

This is getting a bit heated, and, although I didn't want to reveal my information, I think maybe I can help resolve this issue for everyone:
Sean Taylor did NOT spit on Pittman.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that there was obviously a second spitter on the grassy knoll, and that the spitter was none other than Keith Hernandez. If you believe otherwise, then you are simply a lemming, blindly following the pack as the "government" leads. It's all a conspiracy, man.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Then you're inclined to be wrong, and from what I've seen you're inclined to be a judgmental person. You obviously are letting your disgust and respect dictate how you feel about punishments regarding spitting, and you are jumping to conclusions in assuming that my opinions would change were a different player involved. It's very judgmental of you, and to be honest I'm slightly annoyed that you would jump to that conclusion about me.

As long as I've been here I feel like I have been a very fair member of the Warpath. No matter the issue, I feel like I state my opinions (albeit strongly) in a very fair and consistent manner. I don't feel like I've given you any reason to believe that I am such a "homer", and it's a bit annoying to be classified that way.

I'm a big boy and it won't be an issue going forward, I just wish you'd cool it with this passing judgment trend you're on right now.

Kinda funny how someone was just telling me to get off my high horse and saying how my opinion was based on emotion and was ridiculous.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You are correct sir, nice call!



http://www.expertlaw.com/library/per...t_battery.html

I stand corrected on the spitting being battery. So then by US Law, hitting someone and spitting on someone is considered equal. That still doesn't explain why officials levy a harsher punishment for spitting than they do for punching. They should be the same. If I had it my way, Taylor and Pittman would have been flagged for offsetting penalties. One for spitting, the other for losing his cool and retaliating with a punch.

And there would have been no ejections if I were reffing. People may get grossed out, but I'd rather let the players play through fights and spitting. I don't like the concept of tipping the competitive balance of a game just because someone spat.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I stand corrected on the spitting being battery. So then by US Law, hitting someone and spitting on someone is considered equal. That still doesn't explain why officials levy a harsher punishment for spitting than they do for punching. They should be the same. If I had it my way, Taylor and Pittman would have been flagged for offsetting penalties. One for spitting, the other for losing his cool and retaliating with a punch.

And there would have been no ejections if I were reffing. People may get grossed out, but I'd rather let the players play through fights and spitting. I don't like the concept of tipping the competitive balance of a game just because someone spat.

Schneed, did you go to law go school?