Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings

PWNED · 11-14-2006, 04:18 PM

you dont even KNOW me!!!! *sniffle*

skinsfan69 · 11-14-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PWNED

you dont even KNOW me!!!! *sniffle*

Your right. And I don't want to know you. You don't need to be name calling on this web-site.

CrazyCanuck · 11-14-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm sorry I was in meetings all day, I could have squashed this nonsensical Portis discussion a lot sooner.

Portis is scheduled to hit our cap for $7.0 million in 2007. If we cut him or trade him, he'll hit $8.1 million. There's no way we release a still very productive Portis, age 26, AND take an incremental cap hit for doing so. The only way we'd get rid of him is if we actually saved (A LOT of) money, which we wouldn't.

Portis will not object to renegotiation. The 'Skins have structured their contracts in such a way to simply convert roster bonuses and base salaries into new signing bonuses. Portis would still get the cash his contract says he's supposed to get in '07; it would just be called a signing bonus instead of salary. Players don't care what you call it, they just want the money. He'll renegotiate, the cap number will come down from the $7.0 million, and we'll be happily ever after.

He's going nowhere, take it to the bank. CC, can I get an amen?

Amen bro, amen.

Portis has a huge release fee, plus we can restructure up to $4.5M of his 2007 cap hit. This would save us around $3.5M making trading him even less attractive.

That Guy · 11-14-2006, 08:00 PM

you might not like how scheed phrased his response, but it's true that letting portis go just isn't going to happen, and even if he's traded, we'd still take a huge hit for it. If we keep him, we can reduce the cap hit by backloading the contract even more (sucks for down the road) which could make him count only ~4mill this year. plus portis is good, young, and not cancerous to the team in any way.

you might not like the size of his contract (and you're right that RB is one of the easiest positions to go cheap at), but the structure pretty much ensures he'll be here for quite a while (unless we toss a year or two down the drain to clearcut all our cap issues, but i don't see that happening).

djnemo65 · 11-15-2006, 09:27 AM

I never cease to be amazed by the things people write on this site. Right, we are going to cut Portis to save money. He's one of the elite backs in the league and main leaders of our team.

MTK · 11-15-2006, 09:30 AM

Portis isn't going anywhere. End of story.

VTSkins897 · 11-15-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

joke post. i lol'd.

9m or no i want archuleta out. truth of it though is like you guys said, just deal for another year. maybe he can have some crazy offseason and learn to cover.

skinsfan69 · 11-15-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VTSkins897

joke post. i lol'd.

9m or no i want archuleta out. truth of it though is like you guys said, just deal for another year. maybe he can have some crazy offseason and learn to cover.

C'mon dude. Who in the hell is going to want AA? He has no trade value. The point of my post is Portis has trade value and we could possibly get back draft picks. At this point we need dratft picks bad. That's how you get better.

irish · 11-15-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

I never cease to be amazed by the things people write on this site. Right, we are going to cut Portis to save money. He's one of the elite backs in the league and main leaders of our team.

You must have cut and pasted this from one of the LaVar threads from 2 years ago. I read all the same stuff about LaVar 2 or 3 years ago and now nobody on this site has a good thing to say about LA. It was amazing how on this site LA went from the best LB in the league and bedrock of the team to overpaid, oft injured bum.

GTripp0012 · 11-15-2006, 10:00 AM

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m

These are the guys I'd even consider releasing. Anyone below on your list is too important to warrent saving less than $1 Million.

I think you have to cut one of the D ends, Fauria has been useless this year, if it came to it, we could draft a blocking TE in the 7th who is better than CF. I'd cut Rumph, Vincent, Todd Collins, John Hall, Thrash and Philip Daniels.

Brunell is the backup until we can find someone better. If such player is sitting in free agency in June, we can release MB also.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-15-2006, 10:02 AM

I'm down with the above cuts as well. I'd enjoy drafting a blocking TE. Speaking of which, don't we still have Buck Ortega on the practice squad? Don't know about his blocking, but his pass-catching ability was damn good. Honestly, I'd like us to keep Thrash. I know he counts a lot against the cap, but if we're talking abour core Redskins, he's one of them without a doubt.

MTK · 11-15-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

You must have cut and pasted this from one of the LaVar threads from 2 years ago. I read all the same stuff about LaVar 2 or 3 years ago and now nobody on this site has a good thing to say about LA. It was amazing how on this site LA went from the best LB in the league and bedrock of the team to overpaid, oft injured bum.

I know it's amazing that people's opinions changed as the circumstances changed.

Some people soured on him due to his injuries and bitching in the media. Overall though he's still a fan favorite. You're really generalizing by saying that nobody has a good thing to say about him now. I think you would find plenty of people that have good things to say about him and there is a small number of people that would have nothing good to say.

irish · 11-15-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I know it's amazing that people's opinions changed as the circumstances changed.

Some people soured on him due to his injuries and bitching in the media. Overall though he's still a fan favorite. You're really generalizing by saying that nobody has a good thing to say about him now. I think you would find plenty of people that have good things to say about him and there is a small number of people that would have nothing good to say.

They soured pretty fast on the best LB in the NFL and the face of the team. I dont think LA is a fan fav at all (of skins fans) and I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a skins fan that has good thing to say about him.

I guess what my real point is is that everybody on this site said LA was untouchable and any discussion of trading/releasing him was a non-starter because he's a skin for life. In less than 1 year he was gone. The same could happen to CP. In today's NFL never say never.

MTK · 11-15-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

They soured pretty fast on the best LB in the NFL and the face of the team. I dont think LA is a fan fav at all (of skins fans) and I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a skins fan that has good thing to say about him.

I guess what my real point is is that everybody on this site said LA was untouchable and any discussion of trading/releasing him was a non-starter because he's a skin for life. In less than 1 year he was gone. The same could happen to CP. In today's NFL never say never.

Overall I think your typical Skins fan wishes LaVar the best of luck in NY and are disappointed that things didn't work out for him here. If we took a poll I'd almost guarantee you that the majority of people feel that way.

As far as people turning on him, of course that could happen to anyone, Portis included. If he started bitching in the media fans would sour on him quickly. I'm not sure why that would be so surprising. That's life in the NFL and in sports in general.

redskinsfanatic · 11-15-2006, 10:36 AM

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m

i'd say that brunnell,collins,and thrash will be okay,and maybe even vincent and fauria.but the rest of them are as good as gone,especially the most overrated kicker in the history of the nfl john hall.he could'nt hit water if he fell out of a boat during a freaking hurricane!

11-14-2006, 04:18 PM	#46
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 33 Posts: 1,160	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings you dont even KNOW me!!!! sniffle __________________ 143 lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal.

11-14-2006, 08:00 PM	#49
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings you might not like how scheed phrased his response, but it's true that letting portis go just isn't going to happen, and even if he's traded, we'd still take a huge hit for it. If we keep him, we can reduce the cap hit by backloading the contract even more (sucks for down the road) which could make him count only ~4mill this year. plus portis is good, young, and not cancerous to the team in any way. you might not like the size of his contract (and you're right that RB is one of the easiest positions to go cheap at), but the structure pretty much ensures he'll be here for quite a while (unless we toss a year or two down the drain to clearcut all our cap issues, but i don't see that happening).

11-15-2006, 09:27 AM	#50
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings I never cease to be amazed by the things people write on this site. Right, we are going to cut Portis to save money. He's one of the elite backs in the league and main leaders of our team.

11-15-2006, 09:30 AM	#51
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings Portis isn't going anywhere. End of story. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-15-2006, 10:00 AM	#55
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings Mark Brunell - $2.33 m Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m John Hall - $1.5 m Troy Vincent - $1.37 m James Thrash - $1.3 m Todd Collins - $1.25 m Christian Fauria - $1.0 m Mike Rumph - $1.0 m These are the guys I'd even consider releasing. Anyone below on your list is too important to warrent saving less than $1 Million. I think you have to cut one of the D ends, Fauria has been useless this year, if it came to it, we could draft a blocking TE in the 7th who is better than CF. I'd cut Rumph, Vincent, Todd Collins, John Hall, Thrash and Philip Daniels. Brunell is the backup until we can find someone better. If such player is sitting in free agency in June, we can release MB also. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-15-2006, 10:02 AM	#56
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings I'm down with the above cuts as well. I'd enjoy drafting a blocking TE. Speaking of which, don't we still have Buck Ortega on the practice squad? Don't know about his blocking, but his pass-catching ability was damn good. Honestly, I'd like us to keep Thrash. I know he counts a lot against the cap, but if we're talking abour core Redskins, he's one of them without a doubt. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-15-2006, 10:36 AM	#60
redskinsfanatic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 542	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings Mark Brunell - $2.33 m Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m John Hall - $1.5 m Troy Vincent - $1.37 m James Thrash - $1.3 m Todd Collins - $1.25 m Christian Fauria - $1.0 m Mike Rumph - $1.0 m i'd say that brunnell,collins,and thrash will be okay,and maybe even vincent and fauria.but the rest of them are as good as gone,especially the most overrated kicker in the history of the nfl john hall.he could'nt hit water if he fell out of a boat during a freaking hurricane!

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