Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas

itvnetop · 07-02-2008, 06:57 PM

Another context is to look at what the Clippers just paid to what we did. Rumors are floating that Brand may be looking to take less (around 13.5 per) to get a long-term deal to stay in LA, now that Baron is here. They're paying EB and BD about 26.5 million per year, combined. If Gilbert signs the sheet, the Wiz are now on the hook for 33.5 million per year. Personally, I'd rather have the former plus the extra 7 in cap space than Gilbert and AJ. You've shored up your post defense with Brand, added a pretty solid replacement at point and you have a nice MLE to play with every season.

This doesn't mean the Wizards could have pulled this off... but it's just a comparison to see what we're offering our own to stay vs. how the team can improve now (and in the future).

Of course, this theory is all blown to hell if EB jumps to Philly for a grip.

FRPLG · 07-03-2008, 12:54 AM

I don't think the Wiz had much choice with Gil. He's one of the more popular athletes in the area and sells tickets. If they don't max him they look cheap and ungrateful. I like Gil a lot as a player but in the end I don't think the big 3 gets this team anywhere really. Thy have no defense. None. And it kills them every night. Missing out on Thibedeaux(sp?) may have been the biggest blunder they have had. Do Jordan and Grunfeld really not get along that much to make him quit after like 2 days and go to Boston and teach them how to win with D?

itvnetop · 07-03-2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Missing out on Thibedeaux(sp?) may have been the biggest blunder they have had. Do Jordan and Grunfeld really not get along that much to make him quit after like 2 days and go to Boston and teach them how to win with D?

I'm not sure what really happened there... I think there may have been some awkwardness when Thibs came in while the rest of EJ's staff hadn't been extended beyond the season. After the finals, I can see what Grunfeld saw- he's probably going to be a really successful head coach soon.

Monkeydad · 07-03-2008, 11:24 AM

I think Gil will be staying.

The other team looking at him was the Warriors. They lost Baron Davis to the Clippers but are close to signing and paying out the wazoo for Elton Brand. They can't get Brand AND Arenas.

The Bullets will be keeping him. I'm glad because he's my favorite NBA player and I couldn't stomach seeing him on another team.

itvnetop · 07-03-2008, 09:23 PM

Actually, I take it back... I can't really hate on how much he settled for. Most players would have taken the entire thing- 16 is definitely nothing to sneeze at.

Hopefully, we'll be able to unload our two expirings next off-season for some immediate help.

FRPLG · 07-03-2008, 09:49 PM

OK I am in the tank for Arenas as a guy and think he is a great player so I guess I am biased but when was the last time a player got offered a max deal and turned it down to take less so the team could bring in some other guys? That is awesome. I hope his defense wasn't in that last 15 mil though.

hooskins · 07-05-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

OK I am in the tank for Arenas as a guy and think he is a great player so I guess I am biased but when was the last time a player got offered a max deal and turned it down to take less so the team could bring in some other guys? That is awesome. I hope his defense wasn't in that last 15 mil though.

Well I wouldn't go outta the way to praise Arenas. Great he put down some money, but it was a PR move from both sides(organization and him). The Wiz offered a max deal, so Arenas can't complain. Arenas said he would take less if we kept Jameson, and we did so if he took the max deal it would make him look terrible. Seems to me he had no other option. Also Arenas got a way more than he deserves. IMO he is a 90-100mil guy, no more.

WildHog21 · 07-04-2008, 10:05 AM

In my opinion Arenas doesn't deserve to get paid what he is getting. He is to injury prone. He hasn't completed a season the last 2 years. When healthy Arenas is explosive but not a top 5 player. I hope the Wizards know what they are doing with their money because I got a feeling it might turn around and bite them in da a$$. It is only my opinion peeps.....so peace out!

TheRedskinsGuru · 07-05-2008, 04:58 PM

Arenas, Arenas. I'm just going to make this clear right now, I can't stand Gilbert. I don't like his game at all, for him its shoot first, pass second, and he plays lazy D at best. On top of that their are questions about his knee. So all in all, not a surprising move, but not a good one.

itvnetop · 07-08-2008, 09:45 PM

The east is looking scary. Brand is now with the Sixers at a pretty decent contract. Magic just shored up some defense with Pietrus. I hope EG has a Posey or Barnes in mind.

dmek25 · 07-09-2008, 10:11 AM

im ecstatic! all we need now is a bona-fide shooting/ scoring guard, and look out Celtics. it seems like Billy King had no idea how to run an NBA franchise. thank god he is gone

mredskins · 07-09-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im ecstatic! all we need now is a bona-fide shooting/ scoring guard, and look out Celtics. it seems like Billy King had no idea how to run an NBA franchise. thank god he is gone

Brand is not going to put the 76ers above the C's but I do think the 76ers are going to be a force for a lot longer then the Celtics. Should be a good year next year.

FRPLG · 07-09-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im ecstatic! all we need now is a bona-fide shooting/ scoring guard, and look out Celtics. it seems like Billy King had no idea how to run an NBA franchise. thank god he is gone

Most of the world knew Billy King was clueless. I don't get why it took philly so long to figure that out.

itvnetop · 07-09-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im ecstatic! all we need now is a bona-fide shooting/ scoring guard, and look out Celtics. it seems like Billy King had no idea how to run an NBA franchise. thank god he is gone

You guys don't really need the 2 guard now- Iggy can move there. Young's going to the 3 and Brand's the 4. The starting 5 is set. Philly is gonna be tough.

Monkeydad · 07-10-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

You guys don't really need the 2 guard now- Iggy can move there. Young's going to the 3 and Brand's the 4. The starting 5 is set. Philly is gonna be tough.

PG - Andre Miller
SG - Wilile Green
SF - Andre Iguodala
PF - Elton Brand
C - Sam Dalambert

Bench:

Lou Williams
Reggie Evans
Thaddeus Young
Bunch of empty shorts

Pretty good starters but Philly needs some depth.

07-02-2008, 06:57 PM	#1
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 48 Posts: 3,007	re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas Another context is to look at what the Clippers just paid to what we did. Rumors are floating that Brand may be looking to take less (around 13.5 per) to get a long-term deal to stay in LA, now that Baron is here. They're paying EB and BD about 26.5 million per year, combined. If Gilbert signs the sheet, the Wiz are now on the hook for 33.5 million per year. Personally, I'd rather have the former plus the extra 7 in cap space than Gilbert and AJ. You've shored up your post defense with Brand, added a pretty solid replacement at point and you have a nice MLE to play with every season. This doesn't mean the Wizards could have pulled this off... but it's just a comparison to see what we're offering our own to stay vs. how the team can improve now (and in the future). Of course, this theory is all blown to hell if EB jumps to Philly for a grip.

07-03-2008, 12:54 AM	#2
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas I don't think the Wiz had much choice with Gil. He's one of the more popular athletes in the area and sells tickets. If they don't max him they look cheap and ungrateful. I like Gil a lot as a player but in the end I don't think the big 3 gets this team anywhere really. Thy have no defense. None. And it kills them every night. Missing out on Thibedeaux(sp?) may have been the biggest blunder they have had. Do Jordan and Grunfeld really not get along that much to make him quit after like 2 days and go to Boston and teach them how to win with D?

07-03-2008, 11:24 AM	#4
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas I think Gil will be staying. The other team looking at him was the Warriors. They lost Baron Davis to the Clippers but are close to signing and paying out the wazoo for Elton Brand. They can't get Brand AND Arenas. The Bullets will be keeping him. I'm glad because he's my favorite NBA player and I couldn't stomach seeing him on another team. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

07-03-2008, 09:23 PM	#5
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 48 Posts: 3,007	re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas Actually, I take it back... I can't really hate on how much he settled for. Most players would have taken the entire thing- 16 is definitely nothing to sneeze at. Hopefully, we'll be able to unload our two expirings next off-season for some immediate help.

07-03-2008, 09:49 PM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas OK I am in the tank for Arenas as a guy and think he is a great player so I guess I am biased but when was the last time a player got offered a max deal and turned it down to take less so the team could bring in some other guys? That is awesome. I hope his defense wasn't in that last 15 mil though.

07-04-2008, 10:05 AM	#8
WildHog21 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Aztec,NM Posts: 12	Re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas In my opinion Arenas doesn't deserve to get paid what he is getting. He is to injury prone. He hasn't completed a season the last 2 years. When healthy Arenas is explosive but not a top 5 player. I hope the Wizards know what they are doing with their money because I got a feeling it might turn around and bite them in da a$$. It is only my opinion peeps.....so peace out!

07-05-2008, 04:58 PM	#9
TheRedskinsGuru Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 33 Posts: 6	Re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas Arenas, Arenas. I'm just going to make this clear right now, I can't stand Gilbert. I don't like his game at all, for him its shoot first, pass second, and he plays lazy D at best. On top of that their are questions about his knee. So all in all, not a surprising move, but not a good one.

07-08-2008, 09:45 PM	#10
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 48 Posts: 3,007	Re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas The east is looking scary. Brand is now with the Sixers at a pretty decent contract. Magic just shored up some defense with Pietrus. I hope EG has a Posey or Barnes in mind.

07-09-2008, 10:11 AM	#11
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas im ecstatic! all we need now is a bona-fide shooting/ scoring guard, and look out Celtics. it seems like Billy King had no idea how to run an NBA franchise. thank god he is gone __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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