Michael Vick available...again

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nah. I actually think you owe it to us and to reality to try to make some argument that Vick could possibly be better than Campbell, because frankly, it's disrespectful to the collective intelligence on the forum to suggest otherwise. I'd accept 99% of us being smarter than you as a reasonable defense for this attitude, but at the end of the day, I don't think that's true at all. I think you relish being a hater of this era of Redskins football, personally.

Now that is hilarious. I am the guy that you are saying relishes hating this era of Redskins football. I have not been on talking about Danny selling the team. Or how doomed we are because we "wronged" Jim Zorn, Gregg Williams, or anyother player that isn't a friend of the Danny. As a matter of fact I defend this era of the Skins more than anything. Guys rag on every signing because it's what Danny wants ? Come on G-Tripp.

I do in fact talk about Jason where alot of people here defend him and I don't think that his play deserves it. I personally feel like Vick is still a better QB than Campbell. There is not one good thing about that mans' play besides the fact that he can take a hit like a champ. He doesn't lead this team he waits for everyone to get to wherever he is. Vick is a playmaker Campbell can be. Vick has a strong arm that he is not afraid to use. He has legs that he is not afraid to use. Campbell could've and should've been better. Getting him a line isn't enough for me. I can't sit and say that he should get this and that so he can do what he has done up until now. I am in the minority on this issue in my friends circle as well so I have heard the arguments. I just think that Vick is still a very good QB and Campbell is alright. Period. I ask anyone that feels that Jason is the truth, future, the guy, the franchise (whatever you can call him), when the Dallas went up by 1,....1 f'n point did you have ANY faith that he would lead this team to victory ?

I'm sure the answer is no. Now if the man actually ends up coming back I hope that he will improve and be the guy. I hope that if a WR is drafted or signed that Jason will go out to make sure that he knows what HE expects of him when it comes to this offense. I hope that he makes sure that the other WR's are on the same page with him this season and not waiting til training camp to complain about how we need more time because guys don't have the offense down yet. I hope that he'll start calling his protections, being the freaking leader of this team. Could Vick be that guy ? I don't know. But I know that I would like him to play here. That's my opinion. Like I said before, if we are going with a guy in the draft then don't bring in anyone just let that guy play and see what we have there. I'm cool with rebuilding but I've seen all that Jason can show me, and I'm tired of seeing the same ol' same ol'. Too many guys going to waste with sub-par QB play, but like I said it is just my opinion.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Now that is hilarious. I am the guy that you are saying relishes hating this era of Redskins football. I have not been on talking about Danny selling the team. Or how doomed we are because we "wronged" Jim Zorn, Gregg Williams, or anyother player that isn't a friend of the Danny. As a matter of fact I defend this era of the Skins more than anything. Guys rag on every signing because it's what Danny wants ? Come on G-Tripp.

I do in fact talk about Jason where alot of people here defend him and I don't think that his play deserves it. I personally feel like Vick is still a better QB than Campbell. There is not one good thing about that mans' play besides the fact that he can take a hit like a champ. He doesn't lead this team he waits for everyone to get to wherever he is. Vick is a playmaker Campbell can be. Vick has a strong arm that he is not afraid to use. He has legs that he is not afraid to use. Campbell could've and should've been better. Getting him a line isn't enough for me. I can't sit and say that he should get this and that so he can do what he has done up until now. I am in the minority on this issue in my friends circle as well so I have heard the arguments. I just think that Vick is still a very good QB and Campbell is alright. Period. I ask anyone that feels that Jason is the truth, future, the guy, the franchise (whatever you can call him), when the Dallas went up by 1,....1 f'n point did you have ANY faith that he would lead this team to victory ?

I'm sure the answer is no. Now if the man actually ends up coming back I hope that he will improve and be the guy. I hope that if a WR is drafted or signed that Jason will go out to make sure that he knows what HE expects of him when it comes to this offense. I hope that he makes sure that the other WR's are on the same page with him this season and not waiting til training camp to complain about how we need more time because guys don't have the offense down yet. I hope that he'll start calling his protections, being the freaking leader of this team. Could Vick be that guy ? I don't know. But I know that I would like him to play here. That's my opinion. Like I said before, if we are going with a guy in the draft then don't bring in anyone just let that guy play and see what we have there. I'm cool with rebuilding but I've seen all that Jason can show me, and I'm tired of seeing the same ol' same ol'. Too many guys going to waste with sub-par QB play, but like I said it is just my opinion.

I'm not saying you don't have your reasons for hating, btw. That's just my assessment of the situation.

You don't really express many opinions on non-Campbell related issues, and what you assess about the guy simply isn't ever based in reality. You're just clueless. But you're entitled to be so, and to post your thoughts on this forum, and I trust that everything you post you stand behind as something you believe.

I don't have a problem with that. And I trust that you don't have a problem with me saying that it's not based in reason and that, thusly, it's hating. Maybe I'm completely and utterly off base. Maybe you're generally an optimistic guy. I don't know. But negativity w/o reason is hating to me. Negativity with good reasoning is criticism. I think there is a difference. Some may see this post I have quoted and see sound logic...I just see nonsense.

[Lotus]

If we sign Vick we'll need a bloodied doberman avatar.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not saying you don't have your reasons for hating, btw. That's just my assessment of the situation.

You don't really express many opinions on non-Campbell related issues, and what you assess about the guy simply isn't ever based in reality. You're just clueless. But you're entitled to be so, and to post your thoughts on this forum, and I trust that everything you post you stand behind as something you believe.

I don't have a problem with that. And I trust that you don't have a problem with me saying that it's not based in reason and that, thusly, it's hating. Maybe I'm completely and utterly off base. Maybe you're generally an optimistic guy. I don't know. But negativity w/o reason is hating to me. Negativity with good reasoning is criticism. I think there is a difference. Some may see this post I have quoted and see sound logic...I just see nonsense.

In all honesty you believe that when I bring up Jason Campbell's deficiencies as a QB that they are baseless ? So the fact that the man refused to call his own protections even though his Head Coach wanted him to isn't reason ? The fact that I have no faith that he can lead this team to a victory if they are down with 2 min left is not useful ? Do you really believe that he can lead this team from behind ? I understand that you can say that I hate just to hate but you know as well as I do that you knew that game was over once Dallas went up by 1. Believe me, I wanted that man to be a franchise guy here. We had a talented team, but I believe that with better QB play this team is alot better. You all scream O-Line all day, but everyone loses people. When was he the leader of this team during the offseason ? LAST YEAR, when they said that they'd get rid of him. Did you know that Peyton Manning drove to Austin Collie's school to work with him after he got drafted ? Just to make sure that he was on the same page as Peyton was. Why did Devin and Malcolm seem so lost ? Why didn't we feel like Jason should've done what the greats do ? I did, you all didn't. The fact is that many people who believe in jason hate the Administration and what they do is they love who they apparently dislike. Trust me, I feel this way for a reason and it is because I want the best for this team. I don't think that he can be that guy. I'm sorry but I just don't. It will take a whole lot of convincing from any fan of his to cause me to change my mind just as it would take alot for you to change yours. If his play improved then hey I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong, but I don't have a reason to yet so I wont be any time soon. Catch me on XBox live if you're on it. Talking is easier than typing. Skinny has heard my views on the guy, trust me one conversation and you'll think twice about the Jason.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nah. I actually think you owe it to us and to reality to try to make some argument that Vick could possibly be better than Campbell, because frankly, it's disrespectful to the collective intelligence on the forum to suggest otherwise. I'd accept 99% of us being smarter than you as a reasonable defense for this attitude, but at the end of the day, I don't think that's true at all. I think you relish being a hater of this era of Redskins football, personally.

What an arrogant and pedantic post. I doubt too many football analysts, GMs and likewise believe for a second JC is more talented than Vick. As I posted before Vick never practiced, basically put nothing into the game, and yet made plays all over the field w/ his elite athleticism. No doubt he's lost a step by now, but I think it's naive to say he cannot become a better passer considering his previous work ethic. I think a lot of people would look at Vick and say he should only get better as a QB if he is truly committed to his team and career.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I doubt too many football analysts, GMs and likewise believe for a second JC is more talented than Vick.

Talented at what?.....is the important question, because it sure as shit isn't playing quarterback in the NFL.

Jason Campbell is a legit NFL quarterback. He isn't great or anything, but I can't see a single GM in the league choosing Vick over JC to play the quarterback position for an NFL team.

JC is far more talented than Vick in that regard.

Michael Vick is a very legit canidate for being the most overrated quarterback to ever put on an NFL uniform in the entire history of football.

Though he is very talented.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What an arrogant and pedantic post. I doubt too many football analysts, GMs and likewise believe for a second JC is more talented than Vick. As I posted before Vick never practiced, basically put nothing into the game, and yet made plays all over the field w/ his elite athleticism. No doubt he's lost a step by now, but I think it's naive to say he cannot become a better passer considering his previous work ethic. I think a lot of people would look at Vick and say he should only get better as a QB if he is truly committed to his team and career.

You're right on most of the above...particularly the arrogance part, but my assessment of the two players is completely founded in reason.

It's quite naive to suggest that ALL of Vick's problems stem from work ethic. A player can struggle to adjust to a dynamic and oft-changing professional sport due to laziness and that can be changed. But once you've gone through a career unable to adjust, then it's frankly impossible to pin it on work ethic.

In 2004...maybe 2005, I think you have a point. In 2010, you've come up empty handed. Team's should handle Vick as to what he is, not what he should have become five years ago. Other than a felon.

[Zerohero]

Newsflash, Campbell is a bad quarterback. Vick was pretty decent before all this trouble started. Even i finally came around to letting Campbell have another year, not everyone has.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Newsflash, Campbell is a bad quarterback. Vick was pretty decent before all this trouble started. Even i finally came around to letting Campbell have another year, not everyone has.

Not to just spit out numbers but as a QB, Vick's best year as a quarterback was 2006 when he had 20 TDs and 13 INTs, 6 ypa, a 75.7 rating, and 9 fumbles (3 lost). This past season, which I assume you would say was a bad year for JC, Campbell had 20 TDs, 15 INTs, 7 ypa, an 86.4 rating, and 13 fumbles (3 lost).

I don't think Campbell is the long term answer anymore, but it seems like people unnecessarily make him worse than he is for no apparent reason

[SmootSmack]

Speaking of Vick, anyone else seen this?

Main | The Michael Vick Project | OnTV | BET.com

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Speaking of Vick, anyone else seen this?

Main | The Michael Vick Project | OnTV | BET.com

Yeah, I've heard of it but haven't sat down to watch it. A preview came on for it while I was watching Everyone Hates Chris (great show) while I was lifting. Apparently next episode will focus on his relationship with his son.

[Ruhskins]

Bottom line is that the Eagles won't let Vick walk unless they get compensation. All of you can talk up Vick all you want, but he is not coming here and you should not want him to come here unless you are willing to part with picks.

If any QB is going to come to Washington, it should be through the draft.

[GTripp0012]

And I'm more than willing to apologize in advance for anyone I offend for making them think through their own opinions. I'm sorry. See, I'm sympathetic to you. And it feels good.

[irish]

I hope the Skins arent stupid enough to sign him.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by irish

I hope the Skins arent stupid enough to sign him.

We won't go after Vick. Shanny and Allen are putting a team together that we'll all appreciate.

But I won't be surprised if Vick has some great seasons ahead of him. He could be a good fit in the NFC West.