2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III)

[Gtothearry]

If we win the last two it will make me feel much better about next season. I'm hoping we can get a decent QB option next year though. Grossman isn't going to fly for me next season.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

If we win the last two it will make me feel much better about next season. I'm hoping we can get a decent QB option next year though. Grossman isn't going to fly for me next season.

If the Redskins win the next 2 games (they just might) and are out of the running for the top 3 QB picks, then I would trade back and draft a CB, S, WR, whoever is the best player on the board, acquire a few more picks to get a QB and OL (G/C & T). They could also trade up for either Barkley or Griffin.

[CultBrennan59]

If we trade up, I hope the trade includes DHall.

[Terpfan76]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

If we trade up, I hope the trade includes DHall.

We'll probably get less in return if we add Hall to the deal...


If we can't get one of the top qbs, either trade back and sign best available player or draft Blackmon and look for one of the second round qbs. Hoping we get Barkley or RGIII though.

[GTripp0012]

The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.

Thank you.

And if we choose to move up to get a guy, we will not have to move far.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.

This makes the most sense to me. I, personally, would much rather see the Redskins win out, finish the season out strong, and be in line for virtually the same QBs as if they lost the next two games. Plus, they would end at 7-9, which is where most of us pegged them at the start of the season anyway. So, that means a good supporting cast to help the young rookie QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

This makes the most sense to me. I, personally, would much rather see the Redskins win out, finish the season out strong, and be in line for virtually the same QBs as if they lost the next two games. Plus, they would end at 7-9, which is where most of us pegged them at the start of the season anyway. So, that means a good supporting cast to help the young rookie QB.

To me though, the big thing is that the Redskins need to show that they are finally on the right track. The thing is: there are a lot of indicators, very real indicators, that suggest that Mike Shanahan is the worst coach in the recent history of the Redskins. But all of them are small sample indicators: consecutive home losses, lack of a meaningful winning streak, historically poor performance within the division.

If Shanahan can put together a three game winning streak here, a lot of the evidence that he's the worst coach in recent memory weakens considerably. And I would be more than happy to point out that my arguments that suggest he should be fired after two years are weakening, if in fact he can weaken them.

So the Redskins should go out these last two weeks, win by two touchdowns each week and show, finally, that Mike Shanahan deserves to be the head coach of this team. Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen have been incredibly careful to not give a public vote of confidence to their head coach. If the Redskins win these last two games, they'll look very smart by comparison because a vote of confidence will not be necessary. We'll be pretty close to (if not on) the proverbial right track.

[T.O.Killa]

Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.

Stop, just stop. The Rams will not draft Luck nor trade Bradford. Minnesota will not draft Luck nor trade Ponder. Just stop.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Stop, just stop. The Rams will not draft Luck nor trade Bradford. Minnesota will not draft Luck nor trade Ponder. Just stop.

I think your wrong, but either way they will either pick him or deal the pick. The pick will be worth crazy money. If the Colts dont pick first it changes everything.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I think your wrong, but either way they will either pick him or deal the pick. The pick will be worth crazy money. If the Colts dont pick first it changes everything.

Trade the pick? Sure, could happen. Draft Luck and trade Bradford or Ponder? Not a chance.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.

With current records, the Colts still get the first pick at 2-14. But it's close enough where if the NFC North or NFC West totally tanks as a division down the stretch, the Colts could miss the first pick at 2-14.

Remaining non-conference games for NFC North, NFC West:

Steelers at 49ers (tonight)
Chargers at Lions
Cardinlas at Bengals

If the Steelers beat the 49ers, the Bengals beat the Cardinals, and the Colts beat the Jags or Texans while the Rams lose out, there's at least a small chance the Rams could pick at first overall. Otherwise, no real chance.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.

Absolutely no way the Rams or the Vikings pick Andrew Luck in the draft.

[Chico23231]

Shanny is worse than Zorn and the Ole' Ball Coach? yeah dont know bout that