This again

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

DJnemo65:

Are you really THAT upset over our team moniker, or are you just trying to be politically correct? To me, it seems logical to think if you are a fan of this team and have pulled for them over the years, then the name "Redskins" must not be that offensive to you. I mean, it's kind of like saying drinking beer is completely wrong while you're holding a big 'ol can of Miller lite in your hand!

Until my research proves otherwise, this is an activist issue not a majority issue. There are so many other things in this world to be concerned with than a football name.

You aren't really paying attention to what I'm saying. Yes I love the skins and haven't boycotted them because of their name (although I did point out in an earlier post that this is because they play in Washington, not because of their moniker). I have never suggested that the name offends me. It really doesn't matter what I think. Instead, I'm just arguing that those of us positioned outside of that culture should try and be a little more sensitive towards the viewpoints of those within it who are offended. When people make arguments for Native Americans as to why they shouldn't be offended by the name, that is what bothers me. I mean, if all we are talking about is a freaking sports team's name, why not try and accomodate those who claim to be offended by its mascot, even if we maybe don't agree with their grounds for taking offense? I just don't see what the big deal is.

[ST21]

djnemo65, I agree I just think most people in here think that some people should be happy they are not calling them worse....I don't want to affend anyone, just like I wouldn't want to be offended, it wasn't until about 5 years ago, I start hearing that Native Americans thought that was offensive and when they gave there reason, I said well if they feel that way I'm not going to argue with them....I'm Skin's fan....I wish we could work something out with them.....if your not senstive to their situation, then you just support the side that says call anybody anthing you want....this is not about beer bottles, and what people do and don't do....this about respecting a race and their feelings......BOTTOM LINE

[ST21]

SKINGUY......you mean like racism...

[flyfischer]

The first Redskins coach was a Native American I believe...or atleast one of the first...but maybe they were the braves then

[flyfischer]

Lone Star Dietz...their second coach, and they were the Redskins then...funny he didn't find it offensive

[ST21]

First Heart Surgeon was Black....so do they stop fling out racist words

[ST21]

This football team has been on actual notice from 1972 that Native Americans found this name offensive," attorney Thomas Morrison, representing the American Indian groups, told the U.S. Court of Appeals. "I don't think we'd be hearing this debate if it were a different ethnic group."

Terms such as "blackies" or "spics" would clearly be unacceptable for any team name, Morrison said in court.

enough said for me

[Daseal]

The only team I would ever leave the Redskins for would be the Carolina Crackers....

This is idiotic. If you want to find a reason to find someone offensive, you can. It's not hard. I feel that a majority of the people in this country really aren't racist and wewhite - what have the Redskins done to hurt Native Americans? I've always thought of it as a tribute over a putdown. If the head is really what offends people, I actually prefer the spear, but I wouldn't change the name for anything.

[flyfischer]

someone please explain the difference between calling me white and the term "redskins?"

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

SKINGUY......you mean like racism...

Huh? I don't follow?

I'm not trying to tell the Native Americans what to be offended by and what not be offended by. I just find it odd that even the majority of native americans (at least what it appears to be presently) don't find the team's name to be offensive...so since that seems to be the case according to what information I have read, it's pointless to argue that the minority (not in a racial sense but in a numbers sense) are the ones offended, but not the majority. So, if the majority doesn't find anything to be offensive, then I don't see the argument. I'm speaking of the majority of native americans.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

This football team has been on actual notice from 1972 that Native Americans found this name offensive," attorney Thomas Morrison, representing the American Indian groups, told the U.S. Court of Appeals. "I don't think we'd be hearing this debate if it were a different ethnic group."

Terms such as "blackies" or "spics" would clearly be unacceptable for any team name, Morrison said in court.

enough said for me

Before you start playing the race card, go back and read my post about what the term 'redskins' means in terms of the Redskins nickname. It is used in a totally different way as 'blackies' or 'spics'. I'm affraid that some people are trying to make this out into something that it totally is not.

[firstdown]

This was on a tv special about a year ago. This involves just one lady who does not even watch or go to sporting events. She has nothing more to do with her time but to make a big deal over nothing. Most indians that were interviewed are proud of how the indian symbols are used in the sports world today. The use of the word offensive drives me crazy. What are we a nation of whimps.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What are we a nation of whimps.

We are certainly headed that way.

[memphisskin]

If it's continuing to be an issue, just change the name. What's the big deal? I'm used to calling the team the Redskins, but I could just as easily call them the Parrots or the Hucksters or the Insert Name Here (if Snyder sells the naming rights as I'm sure he'll want to do).

And to say that this is the work of a few Native Americans, well its not like there are millions of NAs walking the streets. I happen to be good friends with a Native American, and he's none too pleased with the Redskins name. To try and sugarcoat it by saying that its a reference to war paint, well that's just insulting. Look up redskin in the dictionary, according to Websters its a noun and its "usually offensive".

That's good enough for me, but then again I'm not one to dictate how someone else should feel. All my memories are of the team, not the nickname. Changing it hurts us how?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

We are certainly headed that way.

nah, we'll always have wars to wage around the world in the name of "freedom"