Skins vs. Cards Positives + Negatives

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

I don't care how good your offense is, to win games you have to have a defense and special teams that can make big-time game-changing plays.... turnovers, blocked field goals, return touchdowns, etc. But we never make those plays. Instead, we're the ones giving them up every f*cking game. Not saying this is the only reason we suck, but this is something I notice all the time.

<sigh> A whole new generation of Redskins fans like me is growing up knowing nothing but failure. If this team can't start winning soon they're going to lose a currently solid fan base. Who the f*ck wants to root for a loser team like the Redskins?

If we had a better offense in the past two games, we probably would have won them. But, yeah our other units cannot come up with game-changing plays.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Would Jay Gruden be out after one season if we tank and go 1-15 or 2-14?

No......

[Bucket]

I thought Compton looked solid today. Was way better in coverage then Riley has been all year. I even saw him making corrections to Robinson before the snap

[Zerohero]

Positives

I was at the game and was nice to see a ton of Redskin fans there. I think some activists had a demonstration about an hour away in Scottsdale but nothing close to the stadium.

Negatives
Zero pass rush. You gotta be able to rough up Palmer, force bad throws.

Those turnovers were gutwrenching

[Hijinx]

It is a shame, you look at this schedule and there are winnable games there, but this team continues to disappoint. Three out of next four games are vs awful teams but I bet the Skins only win one or none. At this point it is best just to tank and get better draft picks.

There are so many holes on this team, I can not see them being competitive for another 2-3 seasons.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We could have a helluva debate around here on the topic of which players are part of the so-called core.

Keenan & Kerrigan are the only guys on this team that I care about having a spot on the D next year.
(Edit: Starters. Can throw in Amerson, but he's not a #1.)

O-line minus Trent can be completely flipped. I like our skill position depth.

Kirk can go, he's not worth it any more. Let's move forward with RG.

[ethat001]

1) We first have to admit, currently we suck.

2) However, let's be a little more fair to Jay Gruden / Haslett / Bruce Allen. Every team has injuries, but we've been hit hard. We've lost:
- starting QB, NT, CB#1, CB#3 (Porter)
- played this game w/o: CB#2, MLB#2, OLB#2 (Kerrigan)
- most of year w/o TE#1, backup safeties (Nacho)

Admittedly Arizona has still been 5-1 despite injuries to QB/etc -- but almost every other team in the league would suck without their QB & key players.

3) We NEED to draft early round O-linemen. Dallas just beat Seattle, with only one sack and >160 rushing yards, with a stellar Oline. We have a lot of needs, but ignoring our trenches is why we have a lot of "superstar players" but few wins. We need to fix the line, the no-name players in the trenches to win against good teams with pass rushes. We need to be able to run with A.Morris again.


POSITIVE: At least I get my Sunday's back.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by ethat001

1) We first have to admit, currently we suck.

2) However, let's be a little more fair to Jay Gruden / Haslett / Bruce Allen. Every team has injuries, but we've been hit hard. We've lost:
- starting QB, NT, CB#1, CB#3 (Porter)
- played this game w/o: CB#2, MLB#2, OLB#2 (Kerrigan)
- most of year w/o TE#1, backup safeties (Nacho)

Admittedly Arizona has still been 5-1 despite injuries to QB/etc -- but almost every other team in the league would suck without their QB & key players.

3) We NEED to draft early round O-linemen. Dallas just beat Seattle, with only one sack and >160 rushing yards, with a stellar Oline. We have a lot of needs, but ignoring our trenches is why we have a lot of "superstar players" but few wins. We need to fix the line, the no-name players in the trenches to win against good teams with pass rushes. We need to be able to run with A.Morris again.


POSITIVE: At least I get my Sunday's back.

I couldn't agree more with you about the O-Line. I have long believed that a dominant O-Line is the cornerstone of a winning team. If a team team builds a strong, young OL over a short span of seasons, they can keep that line together for ten years while adding strong backups who can eventually become starters along the way. The Redskins have failed miserably in that respect.

In 1981, the Redskins had a couple of good OL's and very good TE's. In one draft, Bobby Beathard added Mark May and Russ Grimm. That same year, he added Joe Jacoby as an UDFA. All three of those players became immediate starters and the Hogs were born. So, it can be done quickly.

All great teams have great offensive lines. To me, that is the starting point.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I couldn't agree more with you about the O-Line. I have long believed that a dominant O-Line is the cornerstone of a winning team. If a team team builds a strong, young OL over a short span of seasons, they can keep that line together for ten years while adding strong backups who can eventually become starters along the way. The Redskins have failed miserably in that respect.

In 1981, the Redskins had a couple of good OL's and very good TE's. In one draft, Bobby Beathard added Mark May and Russ Grimm. That same year, he added Joe Jacoby as an UDFA. All three of those players became immediate starters and the Hogs were born. So, it can be done quickly.

All great teams have great offensive lines. To me, that is the starting point.

They drafted two o-linemen and brought in a left guard. Neither rookie can get on the field and Shawn L is below average. I'm more worried about the people/person that are picking the players.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ethat001

1) We first have to admit, currently we suck.

2) However, let's be a little more fair to Jay Gruden / Haslett / Bruce Allen. Every team has injuries, but we've been hit hard. We've lost:
- starting QB, NT, CB#1, CB#3 (Porter)
- played this game w/o: CB#2, MLB#2, OLB#2 (Kerrigan)
- most of year w/o TE#1, backup safeties (Nacho)

Admittedly Arizona has still been 5-1 despite injuries to QB/etc -- but almost every other team in the league would suck without their QB & key players.

3) We NEED to draft early round O-linemen. Dallas just beat Seattle, with only one sack and >160 rushing yards, with a stellar Oline. We have a lot of needs, but ignoring our trenches is why we have a lot of "superstar players" but few wins. We need to fix the line, the no-name players in the trenches to win against good teams with pass rushes. We need to be able to run with A.Morris again.


POSITIVE: At least I get my Sunday's back.

Did you see how many players the Cardinals were missing?

Also, we don't need to draft early round OL. We just need to be smarter about the ones we do draft/sign

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Did you see how many players the Cardinals were missing?

Also, we don't need to draft early round OL. We just need to be smarter about the ones we do draft/sign

What is your sense about Bruce Allen? Is he likely/unlikely to hand off personnel decisions to others and just worry about money stuff?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

What is your sense about Bruce Allen? Is he likely/unlikely to hand off personnel decisions to others and just worry about money stuff?

It's going to take ownership to force a change

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's going to take ownership to force a change

I was afraid you'd say that. Ugh.

I liked the idea of having BA as a money guy with real, empowered personnel guys around him. But BA should not be impersonating Ted Thompson.

Once again I must renew my plea: why don't we do things like other teams? Why can't we have a real GM and a real coach? Is such a set-up really so difficult to implement?

We suck at making wheels. We should be the last people trying to reinvent them.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We just need to be smarter about the ones we do draft/sign

Isn't that on your boy Dougie Williams? Talent scout for free agents? How the fuck did Lauvao get that kind of contract and why?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Isn't that on your boy Dougie Williams? Talent scout for free agents? How the fuck did Lauvao get that kind of contract and why?

You can say the same about Porter and Riley.