In Scot we trust?

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by MTK

McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

Agree. I see some kneejerking and short-sightedness going on here, per yesterday's dismal showing.

He's only been on the job for 2 years. We've had winning records in both seasons, along with a playoff berth and a divisional title.

His first draft is actually alright. Scherff and Crowder are definite "keepers."

Preston Smith looked like one a season ago, but didn't take the leap that I thought he would take this season. But, I still wouldn't give up on him. I also believe his game might take off with a better coordinator and, possibly, better personnel around him. If Matt Jones can take care of his fumbling issues, then he's more than serviceable. Some players fumble their way out of the league, while a few take care of that particular problem.

Martrell Spaight could eventually turn into a starter, as a 5th round pick from SMAC's first draft. Kyshoen Jarrett was actually playing well, as a 6th round rookie last season until his awful injury.

You can't really get a read on a draft until the third season of said draft, and McCloughan's first draft was actually a decent class.

This past draft hasn't paid immediate dividends, as Cravens was the only player who truly contributed. Fuller had his issues, and was finally benched. Of course, Doctson with his achilles injury. Again, it typically takes three seasons before you can truly grade a draft class.

The only bad move(s) made by SMAC was this past season FA acquisitions. I believe most of those dudes will be shortly relieved of their duties. I think we'll see a different way about going after defensive personnel--via free agency and the draft-- this offseason. I also hope we find another defensive coordinator in the process.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We can start to improve the running game by acknowledging some things:

1. We are weak at LG and C.
2. We don't have a prime RB on the team.
3. Our TE blocking is pathetic.
4. Our play-calling is predictable and unimaginative.
5. We need to carry a FB on the roster for certain situations.

If the staff would admit these deficiencies and stop tolerating mediocrity, the running game problems could be solved.

You can't fix everything in the offseason, but I think the C position is serviceable. We certainly need a LG. You can find a decent back in the draft or via FA.

I believe you're gonna see a focus on defense. We need safeties and need to get faster, overall, in the back 7. I like Compton, as he's smart and tough. He typically is where he's supposed to be, but he's slow. Outside of Baker, on the defensive line, then it's a bunch of "ordinary" personnel.

I suspect you'll see us be judicious when it comes to defensive personnel, this offseason. I sense we'll be active in FA and defense being the main focus in the draft.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

Sure, if you just want to make things up.

Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?

In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:

Alex Smith
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Patrick Willis
Joe Staley
Michael Crabtree
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Russell Wilson
Byron Maxwell
Bobby Wagner

Come on man.

[Chico23231]

Punch sober the fuck up.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sure, if you just want to make things up.

Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?

In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:

Alex Smith
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Patrick Willis
Joe Staley
Michael Crabtree
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Russell Wilson
Byron Maxwell
Bobby Wagner

Come on man.

Was just about to post the same list. You beat me to it. How anybody complains about Scot Mccloughan after two winning seasons is beyond my comprehension.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sure, if you just want to make things up.



Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?



In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:



Alex Smith

Frank Gore

Vernon Davis

Delanie Walker

Patrick Willis

Joe Staley

Michael Crabtree

Russell Okung

Earl Thomas

Golden Tate

Kam Chancellor

Richard Sherman

Russell Wilson

Byron Maxwell

Bobby Wagner



Come on man.

Just seems like San Fran players are in trouble every year. Maybe not his guys. Aldon Smith was not I believe. He is probably responsible for half of the arrests. Lol
A lot of those guys on your list, as we mentioned, maybe were Schneider guys. Even so that list dates back to 2005. That is 11 years. It is a good pick or two a year.
Alex Smith was a no brainer. The consensus number one at the time. Not rocket science there.
Guys like Crowder are the ones that make a gm great. Full credit there. Over the last 11 years how many gems has he found? Again read between the lines. To say hey he took that stud out of college with that top ten pick well only guys like Vinny trade those away.
I am not saying Scot is a failure per say. I am just pumping the breaks on the idea he is Bobby Beathard 2.0.
Certainly not acting like we went 4-12. I have used the word mediocre several times. Mediocre as in 6-9 wins.
You guys are the ones acting like we won 4 games a year for 20 years until 2015. That is simply not the case. As I pointed out earlier we won 7-9 games 9 different years during the dark ages. There is not a whole shit ton of change here as we would all like to believe. We had two seasons in a row that we did not absolutely crap the bed. That is great. Lets remember how god awful the nfc east was last year though.
Time will tell if we are truly trending up or if we are the same old mediocre team. The other night we had it all there for the taking. A home game with a playoff birth on the line, and our run defense allowed the Giants their first and only hundred yard rusher of the season, our hc had a major brain fart at half, our oline was atrocious, our quarterback was awful. So excuse me for thinking that maybe we are the same old Skins.

[MTK]

Jesus H Christ.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Punch sober the fuck up.

Chico man I am just being cautiously pessimistic instead of cautiously optimistic. After that last game I think I have every reason in the world to do so. Next year is year three of the new regime. Are you that confident that we are taking the next step? I mean I understand being hopeful and all, but I see not much difference between this team or teams over the last 20 years. At least not where it counts. Which is winning big games. Winning playoff games. Making the playoffs consecutive years. Ill get outta here until i cool off, but you know damn well that you are as disappointed in this team as I am.

[MTK]

If you can't see any progress there's just no helping you.

We finished last in the division 8 out of 10 times in 2004-2014. We won 7 games combined in 2013-2014.

But yeah, it's the same old Skins, no progress whatsoever. For real??

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well one thing is for sure, this staff needs to get better with clock management.

I agree with this. Too many times they looked unprepared at the end of the half.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

If you can't see any progress there's just no helping you.



We finished last in the division 8 out of 10 times in 2004-2014. We won 7 games combined in 2013-2014.



But yeah, it's the same old Skins, no progress whatsoever. For real??

Matty what I see is enough progress not to finish last. Lol. Though if im not mistaken we just finished third. 2013-14 was pure shit. Yea we are better than that. So what? We are not the Cleveland Browns.
If this team is progressing-truly progressing- than Id expect we are back in the playoffs next year. Scot has another draft, and free agency period. Provided we stay healthy- for the most part- than logical progress would point to a playoff birth. Maybe their is a difference of opinion about what we consider progress. Simply not being a doormat team is not what I had in mind. Yes we are not a laughing stock. Though that last game was pretty laughable.
If you are right about us trending up than there is no where to go but the playoffs next year - again barring major injuries, or weed suspensions. Fucking Trent might have cost us that one damn win we needed.
Im a fucking die hard. Make the playoffs next year and make me eat crow. Please!!!! Im dying for some crow man. But to think that this team will win 7 games next year does not make me a drunk idiot who makes things up. Lol. I still see a shit ton of holes and a major problem with our coaching staff. Sorry.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Matty what I see is enough progress not to finish last. Lol. Though if im not mistaken we just finished third. 2013-14 was pure shit. Yea we are better than that. So what? We are not the Cleveland Browns.
If this team is progressing-truly progressing- than Id expect we are back in the playoffs next year. Scot has another draft, and free agency period. Provided we stay healthy- for the most part- than logical progress would point to a playoff birth. Maybe their is a difference of opinion about what we consider progress. Simply not being a doormat team is not what I had in mind. Yes we are not a laughing stock. Though that last game was pretty laughable.
If you are right about us trending up than there is no where to go but the playoffs next year - again barring major injuries, or weed suspensions. Fucking Trent might have cost us that one damn win we needed.
Im a fucking die hard. Make the playoffs next year and make me eat crow. Please!!!! Im dying for some crow man. But to think that this team will win 7 games next year does not make me a drunk idiot who makes things up. Lol. I still see a shit ton of holes and a major problem with our coaching staff. Sorry.

Punch I have always respected you but I feel you are overreacting on this one. How do you even have expectations for next year? They haven't made a single move yet. They probably are still conducting exit interviews today. Maybe I will start being concerned if we haven't made any moves and training camp is about to start. But we're a long way off from that.

I think people lose sight of the fact this is the ultimate team sport. No one man can move the ball down the field single-handedly. No one man can stop every play on defense. We lost yesterday and to the Panthers because the entire team looked bad. I am putting that on Jay Gruden, it is on him and the staff to have us prepared for big games, and they clearly weren't. But it's not all on him, we still have a talent deficiency and that's on McC. Let's just give them another offseason to get their shit together and see where we're at after next year. Anything less than playoffs is obviously a disappointment.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

Two winning records in his first two seasons and a trip to the playoffs. You are correct, mediocre at best.

[MTK]

I guess in 2 years we needed to be SB bound to please some people. Oh well. Reality sucks.