Trading Patrick Ramsey

mason4415 · 11-10-2005, 08:59 PM

The Ramsey/Abraham trade would NEVER happen. Abraham will be a free agent unless they franchise him. Even if he wasn't, why the Jets trade him for a back-up QB. Won't Pennington be back?

Second, Beemnseven is right. We have a 11-13 record. Just because Brunell has had 5-7 good games this year doesn't mean he was a good signing. Even if he leads us to the playoffs, doesn't mean it was a smart signing. He completely ruined last year's season! I will NEVER forget how bad he was, and how we wasted such a great Defense. Now, the defense is so suspect!

skinsguy · 11-10-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mason4415

Second, Beemnseven is right. We have a 11-13 record. Just because Brunell has had 5-7 good games this year doesn't mean he was a good signing. Even if he leads us to the playoffs, doesn't mean it was a smart signing. He completely ruined last year's season! I will NEVER forget how bad he was, and how we wasted such a great Defense. Now, the defense is so suspect!

Go back and re-read your post again. We don't have a 11-13 record. We have a 5-3 record. What is done in last season stays in last season. By your logic, it is the same as me saying that just because Brunell had a crappy 7 or 8 games last year, doesn't mean it was a bad signing. So, even if Brunell happened to lead the Redskins to the Super Bowl and win it all, you'd still say it was a mistake to sign him just because of what happened a year ago? :yeahright

MTK · 11-11-2005, 08:50 AM

Brunell did not single handedly ruin last season, that's just a ridiculous statement.

We had problems across the board last season from the system, playcalling, penalties, clock management, personnel, and the list could go on and on.

So if he helps the team get to the playoffs this year people will still say he was a bad signing? C'mon, we're talking about a team that hasn't had a sniff of the postseason since 1999, and we're going to hold a silly grudge against Brunell... for what?

I don't know what it's going to take to make people forget about last season, I thought the playoffs would but for some people Brunell will never redeem himself. Even if they won it all I could still see some people saying "yeah but what about 2004?"

Big C · 11-11-2005, 10:13 AM

last year is over, brunell is doing great this year. last year our recievers were crap, and matty is right. we had lots of things wrong with our team.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-11-2005, 10:18 AM

Our new smileys are all very appropriate.

Hog1 · 11-11-2005, 10:29 AM

I am curious about something. Are all you Gibbs/Williams haters, lunatic Lavar worshipers, Brunell doubters, Danny bashers, and in general, mal-contents the same person using multiple log-ins? Because if you are............................you must be my ex-wife!!!!!!!!!!!! If so, I really, really promise I did NOT squander the Child support check on season tickets!!!!!!!

NFLeurope · 11-11-2005, 10:34 AM

I think while Brunell is doing well this season...the questionable thing was the contract they gave him.

Last year his play was worse than anybody could have imagined...and this year it is better than anybody could have imagined especially when considering last year. But i guess the main question one might have is why in the heck they would have given a 33/34 year old quarterback such an enormous contract.

I mean if it works out for us...and he continues to produce at this rate...then great you know... But i think that would just be us lucking out on this signing...and the signing itself/when compared to the price of that signing...will remain a very questionnable decision on the part of the front office (especially in light of the fact that they already had a 1st rounder in Patrick Ramsey on the roster).

However, this was meant as an attempt to explain the questions over brunells play/contract, rather than a complaint about his current performance.

I am generally very pleased with brunells play this year... I hope he can keep it up and take us into the post season as contenders...GO SKINS!

MTK · 11-11-2005, 10:44 AM

Brunell's deal is essentially a 3 year contract worth approx. $10M. Forget about the fact it's a 7 year deal, that's just to make it work with the cap.

FirstandTen · 11-11-2005, 10:52 AM

Below's a link to a list of 2004 QB salaries. Brunell's contract does not seem that out of line when you look at other over paid QB's.

Also Skins made a quick high offer to Brunell because at the time there was a lot of teams looking to sign a sold veteran QB. If you remember correctly Dallas and the Giants were two of the teams looking....If we low balled Brunell and say he signed with the G-Men guess what, last year could have been the Kurt Warner or Drew Bledsoe ERA for us. (think about that for a second)

Brunell's playing at a pro bowl level this year, so its hard to argue with the money we gave him. Bottom line is were 5-3 right now lets enjoy and stop dusting off the sour past looking for arguments.

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ion.aspx?pos=3

heybigstar · 11-11-2005, 11:22 AM

After this year, we wont have to pay for the 9M coles hit and the 4.5M trotter hit, as our cap gets better and better. I think we pay like 1M for trotter the next year, but our dead cap gets lower and lower....

skinsguy · 11-11-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Brunell's playing at a pro bowl level this year, so its hard to argue with the money we gave him. Bottom line is were 5-3 right now lets enjoy and stop dusting off the sour past looking for arguments.

I agree 100%! I think it's just going to take nothing short of a perfect season and a perfect championship to get some fans to actually enjoy watching the Redskins again.

giacomo2 · 11-11-2005, 07:22 PM

from what i've heard chad pennington is just about shot, his arm strength is very poor and they really do need a young starter, plus they like ramsey. it would be a great trade for us though, J.A. is a stud and would fit perfect with our system.

FRPLG · 11-11-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by giacomo2

from what i've heard chad pennington is just about shot, his arm strength is very poor and they really do need a young starter, plus they like ramsey. it would be a great trade for us though, J.A. is a stud and would fit perfect with our system.

Pennington never had a strong arm and I can't imagine it is going to gte any better. This guy could be agreat NFL qb but injuries will most likely force him out fo the league in the 4 or 5 years I would guess. Ramsye might be an answer there but they can't trade a guy when he is already going to be a FA can they? Unless they franchise him he is not on their team after the season is over. We'd be silly to trade for him when we could sign him as a FA . They aren't going to franchise him since he'd go ballistic.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-14-2005, 08:12 PM

It's amazing how folks here look at the world differently depending on what team is doing the maneuvering.

Abhaham is the Jets' franchise player. If they hang that tag on him, won't it cost the Skins more than merely Patrick Ramsey in a deal? And remember that means a hefty signing bonus for Abraham which will come from cap room generated by??? Oh, and lots of teams will realiza that the Skins might want to "move Ramsey" since his contract starts to be less "cap friendly" in its later years. So why offer the Skins top dollar for a guy that they want to "move".

When the Skins' FO is theoretically in charge of the maneuvering, people here assume that a franchise player will bring the full two first round pick value and maybe more.

Oh, here are twi nire flies in the ointment:

1. It is by no means certain that Herm Edwards will be back in NY next year. And don't be surprised if he doesn't wind up in KC...

2. The Jets are still very much in the running to draft a kid named Leinart. I know that Patrick Ramsey is held in lofty esteem here, but I'd take a flyer on Leinart over Ramsey every day of the week and twice a day if the moon is full.

11-10-2005, 08:59 PM	#46
mason4415 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 70	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey The Ramsey/Abraham trade would NEVER happen. Abraham will be a free agent unless they franchise him. Even if he wasn't, why the Jets trade him for a back-up QB. Won't Pennington be back? Second, Beemnseven is right. We have a 11-13 record. Just because Brunell has had 5-7 good games this year doesn't mean he was a good signing. Even if he leads us to the playoffs, doesn't mean it was a smart signing. He completely ruined last year's season! I will NEVER forget how bad he was, and how we wasted such a great Defense. Now, the defense is so suspect!

11-11-2005, 08:50 AM	#48
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey Brunell did not single handedly ruin last season, that's just a ridiculous statement. We had problems across the board last season from the system, playcalling, penalties, clock management, personnel, and the list could go on and on. So if he helps the team get to the playoffs this year people will still say he was a bad signing? C'mon, we're talking about a team that hasn't had a sniff of the postseason since 1999, and we're going to hold a silly grudge against Brunell... for what? I don't know what it's going to take to make people forget about last season, I thought the playoffs would but for some people Brunell will never redeem himself. Even if they won it all I could still see some people saying "yeah but what about 2004?"

11-11-2005, 10:13 AM	#49
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey last year is over, brunell is doing great this year. last year our recievers were crap, and matty is right. we had lots of things wrong with our team. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

11-11-2005, 10:18 AM	#50
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey Our new smileys are all very appropriate. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-11-2005, 10:29 AM	#51
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey I am curious about something. Are all you Gibbs/Williams haters, lunatic Lavar worshipers, Brunell doubters, Danny bashers, and in general, mal-contents the same person using multiple log-ins? Because if you are............................you must be my ex-wife!!!!!!!!!!!! If so, I really, really promise I did NOT squander the Child support check on season tickets!!!!!!! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-11-2005, 10:34 AM	#52
NFLeurope Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 85	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey I think while Brunell is doing well this season...the questionable thing was the contract they gave him. Last year his play was worse than anybody could have imagined...and this year it is better than anybody could have imagined especially when considering last year. But i guess the main question one might have is why in the heck they would have given a 33/34 year old quarterback such an enormous contract. I mean if it works out for us...and he continues to produce at this rate...then great you know... But i think that would just be us lucking out on this signing...and the signing itself/when compared to the price of that signing...will remain a very questionnable decision on the part of the front office (especially in light of the fact that they already had a 1st rounder in Patrick Ramsey on the roster). However, this was meant as an attempt to explain the questions over brunells play/contract, rather than a complaint about his current performance. I am generally very pleased with brunells play this year... I hope he can keep it up and take us into the post season as contenders...GO SKINS!

11-11-2005, 10:44 AM	#53
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey Brunell's deal is essentially a 3 year contract worth approx. $10M. Forget about the fact it's a 7 year deal, that's just to make it work with the cap.

11-11-2005, 10:52 AM	#54
FirstandTen Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristow VA Age: 49 Posts: 254	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey Below's a link to a list of 2004 QB salaries. Brunell's contract does not seem that out of line when you look at other over paid QB's. Also Skins made a quick high offer to Brunell because at the time there was a lot of teams looking to sign a sold veteran QB. If you remember correctly Dallas and the Giants were two of the teams looking....If we low balled Brunell and say he signed with the G-Men guess what, last year could have been the Kurt Warner or Drew Bledsoe ERA for us. (think about that for a second) Brunell's playing at a pro bowl level this year, so its hard to argue with the money we gave him. Bottom line is were 5-3 right now lets enjoy and stop dusting off the sour past looking for arguments. http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ion.aspx?pos=3

11-11-2005, 11:22 AM	#55
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 375	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey After this year, we wont have to pay for the 9M coles hit and the 4.5M trotter hit, as our cap gets better and better. I think we pay like 1M for trotter the next year, but our dead cap gets lower and lower.... __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

11-11-2005, 07:22 PM	#57
giacomo2 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 61	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey from what i've heard chad pennington is just about shot, his arm strength is very poor and they really do need a young starter, plus they like ramsey. it would be a great trade for us though, J.A. is a stud and would fit perfect with our system.

11-14-2005, 08:12 PM	#59
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Trading Patrick Ramsey It's amazing how folks here look at the world differently depending on what team is doing the maneuvering. Abhaham is the Jets' franchise player. If they hang that tag on him, won't it cost the Skins more than merely Patrick Ramsey in a deal? And remember that means a hefty signing bonus for Abraham which will come from cap room generated by??? Oh, and lots of teams will realiza that the Skins might want to "move Ramsey" since his contract starts to be less "cap friendly" in its later years. So why offer the Skins top dollar for a guy that they want to "move". When the Skins' FO is theoretically in charge of the maneuvering, people here assume that a franchise player will bring the full two first round pick value and maybe more. Oh, here are twi nire flies in the ointment: 1. It is by no means certain that Herm Edwards will be back in NY next year. And don't be surprised if he doesn't wind up in KC... 2. The Jets are still very much in the running to draft a kid named Leinart. I know that Patrick Ramsey is held in lofty esteem here, but I'd take a flyer on Leinart over Ramsey every day of the week and twice a day if the moon is full. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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