Trouble in Redskins Park?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

Those comments were very telling. But I agree, it's time to move on, and that includes the Redskins too. When Larry Michael goes on his stupid show and starts comparing draft picks that shows me how petty the Redskins front office really is. Just childish bullshit.

[sdskinsfan2001]

A. I like Gruden, but him complaining about picking Scherff is plain stupid, if that's in fact what that comment actually was. He is a great player, a pro bowler. You win games with good football players.

B. The situation in the front office seemed like Gruden, Allen, and SM were playing musical chairs and Snyder was the DJ. When the music stopped there was no chair for SM.

C. My preference would have been to keep Gruden and SM and get rid of Allen. But it is what it is. We have a good draft and Doctson is healthy we should be really competitive next year.

D. This thread the last few pages looks like drunk Allen and SM mud wrestling. Geez louise. We're all on the same side here.

[mredskins]

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

You make an interesting point. There is never any shortage of articles writing about our ineptitude or how bad things are. Lots of articles said specifically that Scott M was the one who wanted to sign Cousins, while Snyder and Allen was staunchly against it.

Then there was that report last week that said one of the final straws was McCloughan wanting to trade Cousins.

WHAT IF it was all BS and Allen wanted to sign Cousins since last summer but they just couldn't get the numbers right? Then sometime after Cousins catches wind of Scott M wanting to trade him, so he angrily goes up to Scott M after the Green Bay game and we have the whole "how you like me now" moment. My wife also said while watching the game that Cousins was obviously pissed and it definitely wasn't playful banter...

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

According to Mike Jones, McC views Kirks ceiling as somewhere less than elite. Of course Kirk doesnt like that, was feeling a little emotional after that great game he'd just had and wanted to rub it in

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

According to Mike Jones, McC views Kirks ceiling as somewhere less than elite. Of course Kirk doesnt like that, was feeling a little emotional after that great game he'd just had and wanted to rub it in

The point is there is a mixed message of McC and KC. It has been portray that McC has been in KC's corner the whole time and BA/DS have been the ones not sold on him but when "I" put it all together in my head "I" believe they as a group (BA DS McC) were not the biggest believers in KC.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by mredskins

The point is there is a mixed message of McC and KC. It has been portray that McC has been in KC's corner the whole time and BA/DS have been the ones not sold on him but when "I" put it all together in my head "I" believe they as a group (BA DS McC) were not the biggest believers in KC.

I dont know about Dan but as far as Bruce, Scot, and Jay go here's the way I understand it: Bruce absolutely did not want to pay Kirk, Scot wanted to but had limits based on how he viewed Kirks ceiling, and Jay just wanted Kirk locked up no matter the cost. This was in 2015 according to Mike Jones(sorry to keep going back to him but that interview on 980 was gold)...

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

According to Mike Jones, McC views Kirks ceiling as somewhere less than elite. Of course Kirk doesnt like that, was feeling a little emotional after that great game he'd just had and wanted to rub it in

I can't blame Scot for his evaluation of Kirk. Michigan State is known for being a really good backup QB factory for the NFL. 2017 is going to be very interesting. Without his vet receivers around he will have to deal with all youngsters, with Crowder being the only one that has proven himself to be able to be a starter. I am hoping Harris steps it up. Doctson is still a big question mark. I am thinking that we will draft another wr for insurance. If Kirk does well, I think he will definitely shut up all the doubters, as he can thrive with a young wr corp. I don't like what the organization did with Scot, but it is a done deal, and he isn't coming back. It will be quiet and boring at Redskin Park and in the forum til draft day.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

I can't blame Scot for his evaluation of Kirk. Michigan State is known for being a really good backup QB factory for the NFL. 2017 is going to be very interesting. Without his vet receivers around he will have to deal with all youngsters, with Crowder being the only one that has proven himself to be able to be a starter. I am hoping Harris steps it up. Doctson is still a big question mark. I am thinking that we will draft another wr for insurance. If Kirk does well, I think he will definitely shut up all the doubters, as he can thrive with a young wr corp. I don't like what the organization did with Scot, but it is a done deal, and he isn't coming back. It will be quiet and boring at Redskin Park and in the forum til draft day.

whoa....what the heck are you trying to sell us?

You want us to NOT overreact, until we give something time to run it's course?

Seriously, though....good post.
I don't know what to think of McClain & McGee yet. I don't think we need superstars or Pro Bowlers to improve over last year.

If they can stop the run effectively & maintain their area, we have some decent edge rushers that might make things work out overall.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

whoa....what the heck are you trying to sell us?

You want us to NOT overreact, until we give something time to run it's course?

Seriously, though....good post.
I don't know what to think of McClain & McGee yet. I don't think we need superstars or Pro Bowlers to improve over last year.

If they can stop the run effectively & maintain their area, we have some decent edge rushers that might make things work out overall.

No, why overreact when the deal is done. Also the bit about MSU QBs is spot on. Kirk is the only one that has earned a starting role and kept it. Back in 2015 if I was the GM, I would have still been hesitant to give Kirk a big offer as well knowing the MSU history and also the fact that the rest of the division was just as banged up or worse than we were. If 2016 was Kirk's ceiling we are in decent shape, just have to make sure to always have shiny new weapons for Kirk to throw to and a line that keeps him nice and comfy!!!!!! Can't say Bruce Allen fucked up with just the Scot McC fiasco, as we will never know what really went down. Especially since Gruden might have played a big factor in it as well. So just strap yourself into your lazy boy this season and let it ride. I mean, what other choice do you have, unless you want to ditch the team.

[SmootSmack]

As I have understood it: Snyder was still pissed about the RG3 situation and not ready in any way to commit to Kirk; Allen echoed Snyder's thoughts; Gruden thought they should lock in Cousins and move on to other things with a QB in place, but he wasn't going to push it hard and McC wanted to lock in Kirk to give him flexibility. Meaning maybe you have a QB to build your team around or maybe you have a QB at a "relatively" low price that can be moved more easily.

All these incidents reported in Breer's piece didn't seem like so big a deal when I first heard about them in recent weeks. But at the core of it I think is just that Scot had no real say, or at least felt like he didn't. Couldn't add his own guys to the front office and couldn't instill his "football culture"

[SmootSmack]

Gruden ready wasn't the issue and didn't have a problem with Scot. It was Allen

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Gruden ready wasn't the issue and didn't have a problem with Scot. It was Allen

A weasels gonna weasel.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Gruden ready wasn't the issue and didn't have a problem with Scot. It was Allen

What the? I thought Gruden had a blood feud with McC trying to coach up his players?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

What the? I thought Gruden had a blood feud with McC trying to coach up his players?

Lol...

Folks, it's clear as day. Bruce and Dan are the continuing issue and nothing really hasn't changed since day one. Dan will continue meddle, Bruce will continue to be a power hunger troll...these 2 are tied at the hip.

Only hope is that Jay can lead this team the best he can and we can get a long term deal with cousins.