Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Believe me, it's always about money. Even when it's not.

When he says it's not about the money, he means it's not about the total contract value or the average $ per year. To him, it's about the guaranteed safety net. He wants much more guaranteed.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

When he says it's not about the money, he means it's not about the total contract value or the average $ per year. To him, it's about the guaranteed safety net. He wants much more guaranteed.

Understood. Cousins is not a dumb guy. We've seen players in the past sign mega deals that, in the end, they might have received a quarter of that contract, either because of injury, failure to reach incentives, or whatever.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

When he says it's not about the money, he means it's not about the total contract value or the average $ per year. To him, it's about the guaranteed safety net. He wants much more guaranteed.

sorry - $73Mill guaranteed for injury. No counter offer. He wanted to get to the open market. He said that in February, and it has not changed.

I firmly believe there wasn't a "reasonable" offer the Skins could have made that he would have signed.

[metalskins]

Well, all I can say is, I hope you guys didn't throw away your RGIII jerseys! j/k

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

sorry - $73Mill guaranteed for injury. No counter offer. He wanted to get to the open market. He said that in February, and it has not changed.



I firmly believe there wasn't a "reasonable" offer the Skins could have made that he would have signed.

Guaranteed for injury isn't the same as fully guaranteed money. He would have been dumb to sign that deal as offered.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Bush league move by the team releasing details about their offer and basically trying to turn the fans against Cousins. I won't blame him at all if he walks next year.

It was pretty terrible. However, if "Kurt" walks and goes and lights it up somewhere else, Bruce Allen will be out of a job. He has to be at that point.

It's not a very smart tactic and it hasn't worked so far.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It was pretty terrible. However, if "Kurt" walks and goes and lights it up somewhere else, Bruce Allen will be out of a job. He has to be at that point.



It's not a very smart tactic and it hasn't worked so far.

It was just childish and petty.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Cousins side is playing in perfectly in regards to business, in regards to the rest of the players and coaches that are on this team this season, he's screwing them a bit. His side won't even say exactly what they want, just state vague generic things. And the Skins franchise will never get benefit of doubt, deservedly so, so he gets no blame and Skins get all of it. Gonna be a distraction for all 53 players all season long. Can't help with winning football games.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guaranteed for injury isn't the same as fully guaranteed money. He would have been dumb to sign that deal as offered.

Would he have been dumb to sign David Carr's extension? 12.5 signing bonus, but it's essentially a 2 year contract. After that 2nd year, they can cut him without a hug cap hit. That said, only 40million of it is "fully" guaranteed. SOunds to me that Kirk with 2 guaranteed years at 55mil (tag + 29mil) is a better deal than Carr's.

[btfoom]

Two words for all of you pro-KC posters: Joe Flacco.

At least he led them to a Super Bowl before he got his big pay-day. Since then, the Ravens have had to let good players go (and not sign top players) to pay for that giant contract. Ask any Ravens fan how happy they are with that deal and the vast majority will say 'No way'.

Based on KC's own words, his side was NEVER interested in negotiating this off-season, period. Not just the FO being stubborn. Takes 2 to tango and KC wants to see what he will get on the open market. Unless he improves his red-zone decisions as well as stops throwing those INTs when he gets pressure, he will be sadly disappointed.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guaranteed for injury isn't the same as fully guaranteed money. He would have been dumb to sign that deal as offered.

I agree with this. What Cousins was offered in relation to other QB deals is irrelevant. What matters is his opportunity cost.

If he can get $24M under this franchise tag, and $34M under next year's franchise tag (combined $58M), why would he take an offer with only $53M that gives up control for six years?

It's not about the pay relative to other QBs. He's basically taking this position:

- NFL players don't get enough guaranteed money

- the only way I'll relinquish control of my future and sign for a LTD is if you guarantee a major portion of it

- since I am pretty confident you'll franchise me again next year, I can get $58M over the next two seasons. Maybe you won't, but I'm betting on myself. So if I think $58M guaranteed for two years is feasible, then...

- you need to drastically increase the guarantees. It's not about the money, I don't care about being the highest paid QB. But I want most of my contract guaranteed.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by btfoom

Two words for all of you pro-KC posters: Joe Flacco.

At least he led them to a Super Bowl before he got his big pay-day. Since then, the Ravens have had to let good players go (and not sign top players) to pay for that giant contract. Ask any Ravens fan how happy they are with that deal and the vast majority will say 'No way'.

Based on KC's own words, his side was NEVER interested in negotiating this off-season, period. Not just the FO being stubborn. Takes 2 to tango and KC wants to see what he will get on the open market. Unless he improves his red-zone decisions as well as stops throwing those INTs when he gets pressure, he will be sadly disappointed.

Two words for you: Snyder and Smithers. If I have to pick sides; either Snyder and Smithers or Kirk Cousins, I'll take Kirk's side.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree with this. What Cousins was offered in relation to other QB deals is irrelevant. What matters is his opportunity cost.

If he can get $24M under this franchise tag, and $34M under next year's franchise tag (combined $58M), why would he take an offer with only $53M that gives up control for six years?

It's not about the pay relative to other QBs. He's basically taking this position:

- NFL players don't get enough guaranteed money

- the only way I'll relinquish control of my future and sign for a LTD is if you guarantee a major portion of it

- since I am pretty confident you'll franchise me again next year, I can get $58M over the next two seasons. Maybe you won't, but I'm betting on myself. So if I think $58M guaranteed for two years is feasible, then...

- you need to drastically increase the guarantees. It's not about the money, I don't care about being the highest paid QB. But I want most of my contract guaranteed.

This makes a lot of sense. The only thing I can see that would blow up in Kirk Cousins' face is if the Redskins allow him to test the waters of free agency, and he realizes that everybody else who wants him is willing to offer a mega deal with, relatively, the same guarantees that Washington was going to give him. Then, is it still about the security, or is it about the money?

I definitely see what Cousins is doing, and I don't blame him. You do want as much guarantee as you possibly can. If he signs another franchise tag at $34M next year, then he'll have made almost $80M in guaranteed money in three years. That dude is going to be Rockefeller by the time it's all said and done.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's not about the money, I don't care about being the highest paid QB. But I want most of my contract guaranteed.

Even Andrew Luck's is only fully guaranteed for 44 million. (granted his signing bonus was huge) He isn't going to get 70mil in fully guaranteed money. That isn't even going to happen on the open market.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Even Andrew Luck's is only fully guaranteed for 44 million. (granted his signing bonus was huge) He isn't going to get 70mil in fully guaranteed money. That isn't even going to happen on the open market.

Yes it absolutely will. There are tons of articles pointing to the likelihood of guaranteed money going through the roof if he hits the open market.

Do you understand supply and demand? There are about 15 QBs in the NFL who you could see contending for a Super Bowl title. There are 32 teams in the NFL.