Mascot Issue (AGAIN)

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What does that mean?

He means these damn Native Americans need to stop trying to take over our country! It's like they think they own the damn place.









(BTW, I'm obviously kidding )

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What does that mean?

what i mean is we can't call christmas, christmas. Kids can't participate in halloween because it offends people. or against there religion. Things that we have grown up with or done are now wrong. IF people dont agree with certain things, or dont participate for whatever the reason is, then dont participate in it. Dont celebrate christmas, halloween, or thanksgiving.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

what i mean is we can't call christmas, christmas. Kids can't participate in halloween because it offends people. or against there religion. Things that we have grown up with or done are now wrong. IF people dont agree with certain things, or dont participate for whatever the reason is, then dont participate in it. Dont celebrate christmas, halloween, or thanksgiving.

I think he meant what did you mean when you wrote this "WE as americans are losing our rights to people that move in to our country because things are offensive."

[SmootSmack]

If they change the name Redskins will they change the song lyrics to "Hail to the Redskins"? Will it no longer be "Braves on the Warpath" and then, most importantly, will we have to change the URL here? Will this no longer be TheWarpath.net? Whatever will we do?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I still am amazed by people on both sides of this issue who get their panties in a wad.

[Monkeydad]

I'd still be a fan but I'd be super-pissed.

I did a research paper on this in high school in like '94 or '95.

Something like 90-95% of ACTUAL Native Americans either loved the name and felt it was a honor, or had nothing against it.

A tiny minority actually cares and claim they're offended. MOST of the people raising this issue are white people, mainly politicians, mainly Democrat, PC-dictators...the same people who want to call secretaries "administrative assistants", garbage men "waste removal technicians" and dog walkers "canine fitness coordinators".

[Monkeydad]

Oh, and I've been told I'm "vertically challenged".

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Am I the only person of Irish decent that's mad at the NBA team in Boston's name? I'm not mad that they're the Celtics (I couldn't care less what they're called), I'm just mad that they mispronounce the word. It should sound like Kel-tic, not Cell-tic. That is all.

As far as the Skin's are concerned, I would still be a fan if they were forced to change the name, and unfortunately I really the team will feel forced to change it at some point in my life time. At first I won't be happy cheering for the Washington Wolfpack or whatever, but I'll adjust.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Am I the only person of Irish decent that's mad at the NBA team in Boston's name? I'm not mad that they're the Celtics (I couldn't care less what they're called), I'm just mad that they mispronounce the word. It should sound like Kel-tic, not Cell-tic. That is all.

No, I'm Irish and that annoys me too. My wife (not Irish) even hates its too since I pointed it out.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Am I the only person of Irish decent that's mad at the NBA team in Boston's name? I'm not mad that they're the Celtics (I couldn't care less what they're called), I'm just mad that they mispronounce the word. It should sound like Kel-tic, not Cell-tic. That is all.

As far as the Skin's are concerned, I would still be a fan if they were forced to change the name, and unfortunately I really the team will feel forced to change it at some point in my life time. At first I won't be happy cheering for the Washington Wolfpack or whatever, but I'll adjust.

To bad we're talking about basketball. If I was a poor Boston fan the only thing I would be mad about is they SUCK!

Hail to the REDSKINS, if the name offends ya OL WELL! Get over it, we don't have to be politically correct. WE CAN AT LEAST THINK WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

[Hog1]

PC BS is.................PC BS. You can't tell the truth anymore for fear of offending someone and get your ass sued off. It has reached epidemic proportions in ridicularity.
The FEW who are doing the complaining are not necessarily representive of those THEY SAY they are protecting.
I think it was last year that I saw the "Chief" representaive (I don't recall the title) in the state of Florida for the Seminole Indian tribe in an interview. The interviewer thought they would make some PC headlines, but the Seminole rep surprised him. She flatly stated, and I paraphrase " the Seminole people do NOT look upon the use of it's name, image ar anything thing else by FSU as negative. On the contrary, we know from experience that the students, alums, and faculty hold the school and it's Seminole affiliation in the highest possible regard! Why would we have a problem with that?"
I about stroked out on hearing that.
The face of reason.

We as a race need to lighten up and quit TRYING to find new ways to be the victim.

And if that does not work for you, you can support my..........second favorite team:

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[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Hog1

PC BS is.................PC BS. You can't tell the truth anymore for fear of offending someone and get your ass sued off. It has reached epidemic proportions in ridicularity.

I generally agree that society has gotten too sensitive. However, I think PC-ness has had its benefits. For example, 10 years ago no one would have blinked at Hardaway's recent comments. Today, in part because of PC-ness, it's frowned upon. Moreover, it's hard to define what is "PC." If it's being PC to not use racial epithets, then I'm all for being PC. If being PC means you must espouse left-leaning politics or you're automatically labeled as a--hole, then I'm not for being PC.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

PC BS is.................PC BS. You can't tell the truth anymore for fear of offending someone and get your ass sued off. It has reached epidemic proportions in ridicularity.
The FEW who are doing the complaining are not necessarily representive of those THEY SAY they are protecting.
I think it was last year that I saw the "Chief" representaive (I don't recall the title) in the state of Florida for the Seminole Indian tribe in an interview. The interviewer thought they would make some PC headlines, but the Seminole rep surprised him. She flatly stated, and I paraphrase " the Seminole people do NOT look upon the use of it's name, image ar anything thing else by FSU as negative. On the contrary, we know from experience that the students, alums, and faculty hold the school and it's Seminole affiliation in the highest possible regard! Why would we have a problem with that?"
I about stroked out on hearing that.
The face of reason.

We as a race need to lighten up and quit TRYING to find new ways to be the victim.

And if that does not work for you, you can support my..........second favorite team:

Fighting Whites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fighting Whities Mascot Causes Stir

The Fighting Whites Online Shop : CafePress.com

The Seminole tribe being ok with Florida State's usage of the Seminole name and images is not a blanket exemption for all sports teams to continue to use potentially slanderous monikers with impunity. It was based on a specific relationship that FSU shares, promotes, and respects with the Seminole tribe in Florida and Seminole Nation in Oklahoma.

It seems very American for anyone to tell someone else what should and shouldn't be offended, right in line with us telling Iraq what kind of government they should have and declaring an "axis of evil" or labeling other gov'ts as "rogue" govt's. In that vein, of course we should keep the Redskins (tongue firmly planted in cheek).

The whole PC movement is not about not telling the truth, its about respecting the power of words. Freedom of speech does not include protection of inflammatory language, much like you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater. By continually marginalizing the only indigenous people of North America under the guise of "respect" is asanine and disrespectful. Has being a Redskins fan caused anyone to do any research on the Indian tribes that once called this region home? When was the last time anyone used the word Redskin in a context that didn't involve the team?

To paraphrase Shakespeare, that which we call the Skins, by any other name, would have stunk just as much last year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

The whole PC movement is not about not telling the truth, its about respecting the power of words.

Maybe if we had more of a movement for telling the truth, then the power of words would not seem so powerful. What is the old saying, sticks and stones?

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

The Seminole tribe being ok with Florida State's usage of the Seminole name and images is not a blanket exemption for all sports teams to continue to use potentially slanderous monikers with impunity. It was based on a specific relationship that FSU shares, promotes, and respects with the Seminole tribe in Florida and Seminole Nation in Oklahoma.

It seems very American for anyone to tell someone else what should and shouldn't be offended, right in line with us telling Iraq what kind of government they should have and declaring an "axis of evil" or labeling other gov'ts as "rogue" govt's. In that vein, of course we should keep the Redskins (tongue firmly planted in cheek).

The whole PC movement is not about not telling the truth, its about respecting the power of words. Freedom of speech does not include protection of inflammatory language, much like you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater. By continually marginalizing the only indigenous people of North America under the guise of "respect" is asanine and disrespectful. Has being a Redskins fan caused anyone to do any research on the Indian tribes that once called this region home? When was the last time anyone used the word Redskin in a context that didn't involve the team?

To paraphrase Shakespeare, that which we call the Skins, by any other name, would have stunk just as much last year.

U make a VERY good point here. I love the skins as much as anyone else but I am not gonna be ignorant enough to say that our team's name is derived out of respect and with the intent to honor the native americans which inspired it. When the name was changed to the redskins we lived in a non-PC age and ppl didn't care (or at least pay as much attention) about being sensitive. I guess its hard for some ppl to understand why others are getting so worked up over something as insignificant as a football teams name (one way or the other), but i think its more about the principle. Personally, I am not that caught up in the issue and I do NOT favor the name being changed because I am not native american and it doesn't offend me. But rather, the name invokes a sense of pride for a franchise that I have grown up watching. However, if it were changed I wouldn't stop cheering for the Washington franchise and I certainly wouldnt try to be stubborn and continue to call them the redskins.

The Bottom Line is that if Native Americans can somehow come to a true consensus about their feelings on the subject (not some misguided study), and they feel strongly enough to put pressure on the franchise to change the name, then it would be insensitive to not change the name. Since they have yet to put forth that kind of effort, there should be no reason to change the status quo. So until then HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!