I knew the Pats were cheaters...

SmootSmack · 09-12-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Exactly, which makes him a guilty accomplice for God knows how many years the Pats have been doing this.

All that moral high ground crap Mangini is trying to stand on is total baloney, it's just him trying to one-up his old boss and it's pathetic. Both of them are classless in my book if this turns out to be true.

And, of course, Belichick is a Parcells protege. I'll bet Parcells was filming the Redskins' offense in the Giants' 17-0 NFC Championship win back in 1987.

To make it fair, we should just give Gibbs another ring so he can go for 5 this season

dgack · 09-12-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And, of course, Belichick is a Parcells protege. I'll bet Parcells was filming the Redskins' offense in the Giants' 17-0 NFC Championship win back in 1987.

To make it fair, we should just give Gibbs another ring so he can go for 5 this season

Yeah but then we'd be stooping to their level. Let's let Joe win it fair and square. Remember, class and honor are what seperates us from them.

SmootSmack · 09-12-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Yeah but then we'd be stooping to their level. Let's let Joe win it fair and square. Remember, class and honor are what seperates us from them.

I was only joking.

jsarno · 09-12-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Yeah but then we'd be stooping to their level. Let's let Joe win it fair and square. Remember, class and honor are what seperates us from them.

Which is why we deserve all three of thier super bowls!!!

dgack · 09-12-2007, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was only joking.

I know, but I couldn't resist the temptation to make a snooty, condescending comment about some johnny-come-lately "dynasties". I'm not a proud man, I'll take whatever I can get, considering the last time we had the Lombardi trophy

70Chip · 09-12-2007, 01:59 AM

Casserly was on t.v. here tonight and he made two interesting points:

1. There are more shoes to drop on the Patriots because there are more teams that are going to make complaints against them. He was the one who first reported the Green Bay angle on CBS last year and he says he has a new team to talk about this Sunday.

2. Stealing defensive signals is a more or less accepted practice in the sense that scouts take notes on them for analysis to be compared to the game film etc. But, he said the rules about cameras and other gadgets exist to prevent an "arms race" that might get out of hand. ( Redskins Satellite, ready for launch) He made it seem like to his knowledge most clubs respected this line and limited their spying to what their scouts could see from the press box with their own eyes (plus binoculars maybe).

skinsfan69 · 09-12-2007, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it def taints their wins,I hope they can find out how far back this goes,if they were doing it the players would have to be in on it,wouldnt they?Or at least the player on the field who calls the signals for the defense,should they be punished too?
I've been nuetral on Belichek,I've always liked Brady,till he dumped Bridget after knocking her up and having nothing to do with her during her pregnancy,meanwhile hes out with some other hottie,Ijust cant respect a man who knocks somebody up then leaves them for another woman while their pregnant

How do you know she didn't trap him? To me it looks like they had sex and then broke up and he met someone else. Happens all the time.

skinsfan69 · 09-12-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And, of course, Belichick is a Parcells protege. I'll bet Parcells was filming the Redskins' offense in the Giants' 17-0 NFC Championship win back in 1987.

To make it fair, we should just give Gibbs another ring so he can go for 5 this season

This is getting totally out of hand. The signals they would be stealing would have to be defensive since there are no signals for the offense. So the signals would have to be known, then communicated by a coach ( probably the OC Josh McDaniels) who then tells the QB the defense, then on top of that calls the play? C'mon. Defenses move around at the line anyway. I'm not saying it's right by any means, but I don't think it gives the Pats any advantage once the ball is snapped.

I think the end result is next year one defensive player is going to have a speaker in his helmet, just like the QB's. Then this will put an end to this silly ass crap.

Monkeydad · 09-12-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Wait, wasn't Eric Mangini a former member of Belichick's coaching staff? So the guy who probably used to willingly participate in this kind of underhanded crap is now complaining about it because it's being used against his new team?

We don't know if he was involved, but he had to have known, which makes it seem REALLY stupid that Belichick would try it against him.

Monkeydad · 09-12-2007, 09:33 AM

There are SO many examples of Belichik having no class or morals...from breaking up a marriage by being the "other" man, pushing reporters and now blatant cheating.

He's far worse for his sport than Pete Rose was for baseball. I say ban Belichick for life.

This won't happen again if the Commish takes that approach.

Oh...for old time's sake:

Cowell · 09-12-2007, 09:35 AM

It's really a dumb move to cheat on that level sports anyway. I think about this, I'm sure because of this game's hype there were more than a few bets going around. What happens if the Patriots have to forfeit the game? This could be really bad and I hope if there are any other franchises out there doing a little spying the will stop. I think that Goodell should use the Patriots as an example and dock them a draft pick and make them forfeit the game because this isn't there first try at this game.

Monkeydad · 09-12-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is getting totally out of hand. The signals they would be stealing would have to be defensive since there are no signals for the offense. So the signals would have to be known, then communicated by a coach ( probably the OC Josh McDaniels) who then tells the QB the defense, then on top of that calls the play? C'mon. Defenses move around at the line anyway. I'm not saying it's right by any means, but I don't think it gives the Pats any advantage once the ball is snapped.

I think the end result is next year one defensive player is going to have a speaker in his helmet, just like the QB's. Then this will put an end to this silly ass crap.

So if these signals are useless to the Patriots and give them no advantage, why would they go through the effort of setting up cameras, rewiring and reconfiguring radio signals and just moving the cameras when asked to leave the field (Green Bay incident)?

Don't be naive, they're not doing this because they have a bored IT staff and want to give them something to stay busy with.

Monkeydad · 09-12-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowell

It's really a dumb move to cheat on that level sports anyway. I think about this, I'm sure because of this game's hype there were more than a few bets going around. What happens if the Patriots have to forfeit the game? This could be really bad and I hope if there are any other franchises out there doing a little spying the will stop. I think that Goodell should use the Patriots as an example and dock them a draft pick and make them forfeit the game because this isn't there first try at this game.

I agree, but the Patriots always stockpile draft picks, so that punishment won't hurt much. Forfeit(s) and suspensions should be the minimum punishment.

skinsfan69 · 09-12-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster

So if these signals are useless to the Patriots and give them no advantage, why would they go through the effort of setting up cameras, rewiring and reconfiguring radio signals and just moving the cameras when asked to leave the field (Green Bay incident)?

Don't be naive, they're not doing this because they have a bored IT staff and want to give them something to stay busy with.

I'm not being naive. It's just that you have to do some many things in a very short period of time to make it work. If the opposing teams are worried about it, they should have three guys standing next to the actual defensive playcaller. One guy is sending in the correct defense. The other two are sending in dummy signals.

Monkeydad · 09-12-2007, 10:21 AM

Sorry, I wasn't making it personal, I just meant...they HAVE to be getting an advantage from it if they've been doing it for a while or even once at all. Why would they go through all of the effort if they gained nothing?

09-12-2007, 01:59 AM	#66
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 54 Posts: 3,048	Re: I knew the Pats were cheaters... Casserly was on t.v. here tonight and he made two interesting points: 1. There are more shoes to drop on the Patriots because there are more teams that are going to make complaints against them. He was the one who first reported the Green Bay angle on CBS last year and he says he has a new team to talk about this Sunday. 2. Stealing defensive signals is a more or less accepted practice in the sense that scouts take notes on them for analysis to be compared to the game film etc. But, he said the rules about cameras and other gadgets exist to prevent an "arms race" that might get out of hand. ( Redskins Satellite, ready for launch) He made it seem like to his knowledge most clubs respected this line and limited their spying to what their scouts could see from the press box with their own eyes (plus binoculars maybe). __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

09-12-2007, 09:33 AM	#70
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	Re: I knew the Pats were cheaters... There are SO many examples of Belichik having no class or morals...from breaking up a marriage by being the "other" man, pushing reporters and now blatant cheating. He's far worse for his sport than Pete Rose was for baseball. I say ban Belichick for life. This won't happen again if the Commish takes that approach. Oh...for old time's sake:

09-12-2007, 09:35 AM	#71
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: I knew the Pats were cheaters... It's really a dumb move to cheat on that level sports anyway. I think about this, I'm sure because of this game's hype there were more than a few bets going around. What happens if the Patriots have to forfeit the game? This could be really bad and I hope if there are any other franchises out there doing a little spying the will stop. I think that Goodell should use the Patriots as an example and dock them a draft pick and make them forfeit the game because this isn't there first try at this game.

09-12-2007, 10:21 AM	#75
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	Re: I knew the Pats were cheaters... Sorry, I wasn't making it personal, I just meant...they HAVE to be getting an advantage from it if they've been doing it for a while or even once at all. Why would they go through all of the effort if they gained nothing?

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