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View Poll Results: Your choice as successor to Joe Gibbs?
Gregg Williams 245 78.78%
Al Saunders 6 1.93%
Bill Cowher 42 13.50%
other 18 5.79%
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:01 AM   #61
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I like how some liked to bash GW a few years back for all the "dumb" things he was doing on D, going from a Top 10 Defense to one of the lowest the next year around. Now apparently he is the next best thing and the fix to our problems.

I love continuity but hate inconsistency that he brings.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:04 AM   #62
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b) We are not going to be able to overhaul the roster due to cap limitations. We aren't in cap hell, but we can't go crazy in FA either, so whoever comes here will have to utilize largely the same roster.
We are NOT in salary cap hell. A bunch of contracts will be restructured and we will be fine. Mark my words.

I'm honestly getting sick and tired of hearing about how we're in salary cap hell. Yet, we still manage to sign some FA's and stay under the cap. Hasn't this owner already proven everybody wrong by now??
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:08 AM   #63
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Let's take a look from the other side of the coin, who would want the Redskins coaching job. It does come with baggage.

a) You have an owner and VP (Vinnie) that are going to be involved in decision making. Snyder is better now than before but he will not give up full control again to anyone other than Gibbs. Cowher will want full control

b) We are not going to be able to overhaul the roster due to cap limitations. We aren't in cap hell, but we can't go crazy in FA either, so whoever comes here will have to utilize largely the same roster.

b2) Our offensive roster is built for a Coryell/Saunders/Gibbs type offense. Big blockers, built for power rushing, and play-action. Saunders wrinkles to that system are timing oriented and will NOT NOT NOT work well if we get a west-coast style offensive coach in here (Mariucci for example).

b3) Our defensive roster is built for the G.Williams system, and it even more than the offense is extremely scheme oriented. While we have some raw talent on D, I believe our roster would be no better than a 25th ranked D if they were forced to play in a 3-4 style. (Another knock against Cohwer)

c) The team went through an emotional trauma that forced them to really bond as a unit, and a new coach...an outsider... will NOT be accepted by the majority of the players as their emotional leader because he "wasn't there" when they had to deal with the things they dealt with this year.

Due to all the reasons listed above, I have a very difficult time seeing a scenario where we go outside the organization for a new HC. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a good fit. Besides, Williams is gone if he isn't the next HC here, he'll take another job elsewhere, and again, without his scheme, our D is in trouble. I think the only logical choice to retain a hope of a winning record next year is GW.
The Redskins head coaching position certainly HAS to be the most appealing of all the coaching vacancies in the league right now.

1. Miami: A train wreck from the top down. Who is the starting QB?
2. Baltimore: Again I ask the QB question. And an offense that needs a complete overhaul and a defense that is getting long in the tooth.
3. Atlanta: Who is the QB? And they had an offense built around Vick, now they have to rebuild the offense again to suit a new coaches philiosphy and WHOEVER comes in as QB.

Then you have Washington. Young EXTREMELY talented QB. Solid players at each skill position. A superlative defensive philosophy and an owner that is not shy about opening the checkbook to get you what you need and want. Snyder is committed to winning and to the fans. He always goes above and beyond to put the best product on the field.

Of all the coaching vacancies, I would say Washington is the most appealing, they are equipped to WIN NOW and that alone is enough to attract any qualified candadite.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:10 AM   #64
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We are NOT in salary cap hell. A bunch of contracts will be restructured and we will be fine. Mark my words.

I'm honestly getting sick and tired of hearing about how we're in salary cap hell. Yet, we still manage to sign some FA's and stay under the cap. Hasn't this owner already proven everybody wrong by now??
We're not in salary cap hell, although we definitely we've had some hiccups attributable to cap constraints. This offseason, I think we'll see more of the same. With teams having record cap surpluses, free agents are getting bigger and bigger deals. I do not think we will be able to sign more than 1 or 2 starters and it is unlikely that either of them will be Pro Bowlers like Terrell Suggs or Marcus Trufant. That said, I welcome these cap constraints since I don't think we need to replace more than 1-2 starters (Daniels and Doughty).
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:12 AM   #65
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Re: Who is Next?

I think Greg Williams has earned a shot...he's learned some things since the Buffalo experience...I think Al Saunders will be fine remaining as OC.

I would, however like to see Dan hire a GM.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:29 AM   #66
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Williams....Doug Williams

Seriously though, I'm suppose it probably should be Gregg Williams if he wants it. Although, Gibbs' resignation as President as well has me thinking the next guy may be HC/President. I don't see Gregg Williams in that capacity. Then again Gibbs has been sure to include him in all personnel discussions/meetings (not just for the defensive players).

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will just be handed the HC job. Doesn't the Rooney Rule basically prevent that from happening?
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:30 AM   #67
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I think Greg Williams has earned a shot...he's learned some things since the Buffalo experience...I think Al Saunders will be fine remaining as OC.

I would, however like to see Dan hire a GM.
As JLC pointed out, hiring a GM would pretty much mean the end for Vinny Cerrato. I know you're probably thinking, "Nice, we'll kill two birds with one stone," but Danny is pretty tight with Vinny so I'm not sure we'll ever hire a GM.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:31 AM   #68
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Re: Who is Next?

I want Cowher but it will probably Williams which is absolutely fine with me too.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:33 AM   #69
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Williams....Doug Williams

Seriously though, I'm suppose it probably should be Gregg Williams if he wants it. Although, Gibbs' resignation as President as well has me thinking the next guy may be HC/President. I don't see Gregg Williams in that capacity. Then again Gibbs has been sure to include him in all personnel discussions/meetings (not just for the defensive players).

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will just be handed the HC job. Doesn't the Rooney Rule basically prevent that from happening?
I was thinking about that too. I guess all they would have to do is "interview" Blache and they're good to go.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:36 AM   #70
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Re: Who is Next?

If it's Grilliams, I'd love to see (as I stated previously) Floyd Reese come on as GM. They worked together in Houston/Tennessee and Reese has an excellent record with personnel. The only hiccup (besides Snyder/Cerrato) is Reese and Jeff Fisher had a falling out and GW and Fisher are extremely tight.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:42 AM   #71
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I second that notion of a GM.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:44 AM   #72
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In the interest of continuity, I won't be pissed if it is Gregg Williams, but he was abysmal in Buffalo. There are plenty of guys who aren't great head coaches their first time around and then turn it around at their next stay (see: Bill Belichick) but I don't think the guy is a head coach. I don't know that he's even a top 5 defensive coordinator. I like him and he seems like a good guy and the D has been good under him, but he's proven to me that he can't really do much unless he has superior talent, therefore, I don't know if he should be a candidate.

Also, is anyone else concerned that Al Saunders will be pissed if he's passed over? I mean, what do they do? Just have both of them run their own groups? That would be retarded. I think that was as much a reason as to why Spurrier didn't work as anything else. Whatever the case, I'm concerned.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:47 AM   #73
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There are definitely some people in this building who believe that Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Had a couple of people tell me that this makes a lot of sense to them. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well on that side of things, and it could mean that someone like Vinny Cerrato got shifted to more of a consulting role as well.

But I spoke to a source who knows Cerrato well who said he believes it will be Bill Cowher. He thinks that Cowher will get the keys to the kingdom and become the first $10-million coach, or in that range. "He's going to want the power Parcells had in Dallas," the source said. "Cowher's going to want to shop for the groceries. He lives in North Carolina, that keeps him pretty close to his home. I think that's where this thing is going."

Given the heavy powers that someone like Cowher would hold, he would likely get a title similar to what Gibbs had, and thus that would continue to render a GM moot in the management structure.

So, from what I can gather so far, and we're way early in this process, Williams and Cowher are the names to watch. People around the league have told me that Snyder and his people soured on Gregg after the 2007 season - it's usually hot today, not tomorrow around here - and were somewhat lukewarm at midseason, but became big fans again down the stretch, particularly after the Minnesota game. Still, these guys think indications point toward Cowher.

Bill Cowher is without a doubt the biggest fish out there, and has a Super Bowl on his resume to boot, and that's usually who they target around here.

THe NFL has rules mandating that teams interview minority candidates for these openings, which means the process generally takes some time even if club's essentially have made up their mind on a candidate. Greg Blache, the Redskins' defensive coordinator, has much expereince at the coordinator level, would fit that description, but he also has no head coaching aspirations, sources said, and has been mulling retirement himself for some time. So I don't think he would want to be a part of any dog and pony show; that's the opposite of Greg's style.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:50 AM   #74
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Well, it's not like the Bills have done anything since Williams was fired. Let's face it Buffalo isn't exactly an easy place to win. Small market, a team that's not known for spending, and a tough draw for free agents.

If guys like Norv get chance after chance, I find it hard to argue that Williams doesn't deserve a 2nd shot.
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Well, it's not like the Bills have done anything since Williams was fired. Let's face it Buffalo isn't exactly an easy place to win. Small market, a team that's not known for spending, and a tough draw for free agents.

If guys like Norv get chance after chance, I find it hard to argue that Williams doesn't deserve a 2nd shot.
I don't think that saying "Norv got a second chance" is a good reason for the Skins to hire Gregg Williams as the successor to Joe Gibbs. I won't be overly critical of the move if they hire Williams, but I think he will fail if he is the head coach. Up until the stretch run, I wasn't even sure I wanted him back as the defensive coordinator next season. So, if Gregg is hired, he won't get a ringing endorsement from me, I will reserve judgment the same way I have about many of the free agent signings the last few years. I won't come out and kill him, but I will certainly have my doubts about the guy.
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