Can We Draft as High as 3rd Overall?

[mooby]

I feel like we should trade back down. Imagine if a team came at us with a Cleveland/Jets type scenario where they give us a guy (maybe decent o-line guy?) and an additional first round pick so that would give us two first rounders as well as a decent prospect? Like maybe Seattle with their two first rounders and a guy like Ray Willis if they were willing to do that because they might want to move up for an Okung or top qb prospect? As asinine as that sounds it's all about that trade value chart and the fourth pick could net a decent offering. I feel we need to trade down and pick up more draft choices and build with that instead of taking whatever top prospect is available at #4.

[skinsfaninok]

It's official we will get the 4th pick in the draft... The chiefs beat us so they get 5th.
I don't have a link but ESPN just had it on sportscenter.. I would say Bradford is the guy simply because STL will draft SUE and the other 2 teams won't draft a QB. (DET, TB)

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

It's official we will get the 4th pick in the draft... The chiefs beat us so they get 5th.
I don't have a link but ESPN just had it on sportscenter.. I would say Bradford is the guy simply because STL will draft SUE and the other 2 teams won't draft a QB. (DET, TB)

It's not set and stone they will select Suh they already pick that DE/DT Adam Carriker & DE Chris Long in the previous years they need a franchise QB. If he is worth drafting after the combine & his pro day then Bradford will mostly likely go #1 to the Rams. I still think that the Jimmy is a late 1st round pick and that might be the way to go or Pike in the 2nd round.

[mooby]

Who was it that kept saying that head to head record doesn't matter in determining draft order? Head to head record is always the first thing in determining any tiebreaker as far as I know, why would it be any different in regards to draft order? But seriously though, on that draft value chart, that's a big difference between the top five picks in the draft. That could really help us if a team wanted to try and trade into the top five if a player they really want was available there.

[SmootSmack]

Head to head doesn't matter as much as strength of schedule when it comes to draft order. The league feels it's a better indicator

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Head to head doesn't matter as much as strength of schedule when it comes to draft order. The league feels it's a better indicator

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I can kinda see why that is but I always thought in past offseasons that head to head was the #1 tiebreaker for some reason.

I was consulting the draft pick value chart and the 4th pick is worth 1800 points. That's pretty good value because if the right team came along we could possibly get 2 first rounders out of that deal. According to the chart, the first pick is 3000 points, 2nd is 2600, 3rd is 2200, and 4th is 1800, whereas the fifth is only 1700, which means the difference between the 4th and the 5th would be the 4th pick of the fourth round, which is 100 points.

Also if we were interested in trading players along with draft picks there's infinite possibilities. Lets say for make believe purposes the Seahawks want Campbell as their qb, and Shanny decides he wants Bradford. Well, according to the picks the Seahawks have, which are the 6th (1600 points) and the 16th assuming that's what the Broncos pick is (1000 points), they could trade us both of those for the 4th pick and Campbell, assuming they value him as worthy of 800 points of draft value. So my only point out of all this is that we could have some serious trade bait in the instance we decide to go that route. Should be an interesting offseason this year.

Just in case anybody else wants to explore possible draft pick trade scenarios and formulate their own theories about possible trades, here's the draft pick value chart. I could go further in depth with this but I think it's illogical considering how much trading of draft picks goes on before and during the draft. Anything could happen with any of the picks, and I've seen crazier stuff happen to believe that anything's possible. At least if we decide to trade down not only will we have pretty decent ammunition draft picks wise, but we might also try to get rid of some players as well.

NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN

[WaldSkins]

Just curious as to how far we could trade down and still be able to select Bradford?

[skinsfaninok]

^ not too far wald, he is the number 1 qb prospect according to kiper and mcshay

[LandrySlice]

This years draft dosen't seem to have the elite players that I have seen in years past. I think if you don't get Suh or Berry, then being in the top 5 dosen't even matter... that's just me though

[Kalisto2010]

If Clausen is there at #4 believe me we'll draft him.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

If Clausen is there at #4 believe me we'll draft him.

Word on the street is that Shannahan likes Bradford better. What makes you think he would choose Clausen over Bradford if both were available at 4?

My only regret is that this quote is from PFT:

From the same sources that the rumblings of Shanahan-to-the-'Skins have been emanating for months comes word that the Redskins and Mike Shanahan will target Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford with Washington's first-round pick in the draft.

This is from the ESPN rumor section:

The Redskins could pick as high as No. 5. One player they are likely looking at is Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, who was projected to be the No. 1 pick last season before he decided to go back to school. According to Scouts, Inc.'s Todd McShay's mock draft, the Redskins will nab Bradford with the No. 7 pick. Also available at the top of the first round is Jimmy Clausen. At the top of the second round, they may also have a shot at Tony Pike.

Keep in mind I'm not saying you're wrong. You could very well be right but right now all arrows are pointing towards the team targeting Bradford.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Word on the street is that Shannahan likes Bradford better. What makes you think he would choose Clausen over Bradford if both were available at 4?

My only regret is that this quote is from PFT:


This is from the ESPN rumor section:


Keep in mind I'm not saying you're wrong. You could very well be right but right now all arrows are pointing towards the team targeting Bradford.

If Bradford shows anything in the upcoming combines, the Rams are sure to take him. They need a quarterback in a bad sorta way.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If Bradford shows anything in the upcoming combines, the Rams are sure to take him. They need a quarterback in a bad sorta way.

Exactly what i said if he is worth drafting the Rams will get him

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Exactly what i said if he is worth drafting the Rams will get him

Steve Spagnuolo is a defensive guy. I think they'll take either Suh or Berry. Both are needs, and both are better pro prospects than any QB out there. It's a relatively deep QB class. They could maybe get Suh and then McCoy with the first pick of the 2nd round.

I absolutely do not think Stl will go QB with #1 overall.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If Bradford shows anything in the upcoming combines, the Rams are sure to take him. They need a quarterback in a bad sorta way.

If they don't take Clausen.