Big Ben accused of sexual assault

[Ruhskins]

Yeah he looks shitfaced...



Actually, I think this picture is from last year.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah he looks shitfaced...



Actually, I think this picture is from last year.

It is. However like I said earlier wearing a shirt like that ("drink like a champion") doesn't bode well when you try to convince people that you don't have an alcohol problem and of course if it was the only thing then fine, but this on top of a laundry list of dumb decisions.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

It is. However like I said earlier wearing a shirt like that ("drink like a champion") doesn't bode well when you try to convince people that you don't have an alcohol problem and of course if it was the only thing then fine, but this on top of a laundry list of dumb decisions.

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i heard he had a shirt on with like an emblazened devil on it.

the fact that ben was accused of rape in az will not be evidence for the jury to hear if this goes to trial.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

This disgusts me.

Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This disgusts me.

Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.

while i agree with you, i dont think we should use the AZ allegations (which seem to be false) to bolster this accusation.

just b/c you were drunk doesnt mean you committed rape.

just b/c you were accused of rape before, doesnt mean you raped now.

the AZ allegation will not be admissible evidence if this one goes to trial.

so what do we really have to question roth's credibility vs the woman's? the motorcycle accident? the fact that he seems to like to drink?

without actual facts coming to light, i cant make a judgment call.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This disgusts me.

Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.

First, let me say I don't particularly care for Florio. However, from a strictly unemotional, dollars & cents, and legal perspective, his advice is sound. Roth will spend more in legal fees defending himself with an uncertain outcome than he would in writing a settlement check.

Now, if the woman takes the money in settlement it would lead to one of two conclusions IMO; 1) she made it up and cashed in on Roth's stupidity 2) she didn't make it up, but chose to take a settlement, which is her moral decision, but would still leave the impression on many in the public that she was just "cashing in". Either way, it helps Big Ben in the public eye and makes a very expensive and possibly freedom threatening problem go away quickly.

Now, if the woman declines the settlement, then the likelihood is she isn't making the story up and morally she won't sell out. If that's the case, Big Ben is in a whole heap of trouble and deservedly so.

I do agree with your take on folks blindly favoring Big Ben, you know the saying; once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a trend.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This disgusts me.

Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.

she said she was assaulted, not raped. big difference. i'm not a lawyer but what does that mean? it could mean he grabbed her ass, or grabbed her tits when she wasn't expecting it. to me this sounds like some girl crying wolf. how do you assault someone in a club when people are walking in and out of a bathroom? it just doesn't make any sense.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah he looks shitfaced...



Actually, I think this picture is from last year.

Also, (although it is no joking matter) someone made this:

[Hog1]

WAIT..........didn't I see this guy on a Geico ad? "Even a Rothlesberger could do it"?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i agree that we can't make a definitive judgement now, but the fact that rothlesberger is involved in some sort of incident every year is enough to question his judgement. he shouldnt be putting himself in these situations to begin with. his behavior is clearly reckless if nothing else.

my overall point is that presuming Rothlesberger is innocent of sexual assualt means we are assuming his accuser is guilty of making the whole thing up. it just concerns me that so many people are quick to assume the later is true. i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape to get money.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i agree that we can't make a definitive judgement now, but the fact that rothlesberger is involved in some sort of incident every year is enough to question his judgement. he shouldnt be putting himself in these situations to begin with. his behavior is clearly reckless if nothing else.

my overall point is that presuming Rothlesberger is innocent of sexual assualt means we are assuming his accuser is guilty of making the whole thing up. it just concerns me that so many people are quick to assume the later is true. i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape to get money.

a lot don't get reported.. and a lot get reported falsely.. it's a vicious thing

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i agree that we can't make a definitive judgement now, but the fact that rothlesberger is involved in some sort of incident every year is enough to question his judgement. he shouldnt be putting himself in these situations to begin with. his behavior is clearly reckless if nothing else.

my overall point is that presuming Rothlesberger is innocent of sexual assualt means we are assuming his accuser is guilty of making the whole thing up. it just concerns me that so many people are quick to assume the later is true. i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape to get money.

Ok, #1 - absolutely no stone hard facts have come out about this case yet, ITS NOT EVEN A CASE YET, LOL, no charges have even been filed yet, so, quit slammin and crucifying this guy for christs sake...
#2 bad judgement?? The frickin guy lives out in the mmiddle of bumflip egypt in georgia, and I know, milledgeville is right down the road from me, and what is bad about his judgement? Being a 28 year old that likes to go to clubs, show off, spend money and fraternize with women??? yeah, horrible judgement there.
#3 - "i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape" Oh really? In Ben Rothlisbergers case, the exact opposite is true. He had a cuckoo bitch trying to get money from him last year. The DA and police, after questioning the woman, and then some of her friends, said that there was no way they would even think of charging him with anything. The girls best friend even said to authorities that the accuser said, "I gonna get me some Rothlisberger." and she even drove to Pittsburgh with her friend to see if they could track him down and party with him, all AFTER the alleged event. Hardly a girl with her emotions totally distraught from being violated and raped. more like a girl thats pissed that he banged her and jetted, cause he found out first hand the bitch was flippin nuts.

You all should just chill, and quit fricking crucifying this guy when absolutely NO EVIDENCE, NO UPDATES, NOTHING has officially come out from the Police dept. or the DA. All of this is just speculation, and all this, "well I saw some pictures, A witness said this bull shit.......SPECULATION. You know what is accurate about all of this stuff thats been said here on these boards????

NOTHING

Just wait for the truth to come out, damn, the guy hasnt even been charged with anything. He has NEVER ONCE, NEVER been charged with anything short of a traffic ticket in HIS ENTIRE LIFE. All these people speculating about this, saying he is a horrible person, he should be suspended shit, surprises the hell out of me. Especially on this forum. Just quit jumping the gun, and give the guy his due process. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[SmootSmack]

Well we don't know what exactly happened. Roethlisberger could have had one of his boys block the bathroom so no one got in and out. He could have been like "Whatever, I'm Ben Roethlisberger. Let them watch"

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well we don't know what exactly happened. Roethlisberger could have had one of his boys block the bathroom so no one got in and out. He could have been like "Whatever, I'm Ben Roethlisberger. Let them watch"

some things are possible. but some are less possible. i just find it very hard to believe that an nfl star ( or anyone w/ common sense) is sexually assaulting someone in a college bar while his wingman blocks the door.

[SmootSmack]

Well it's questionable if Roeth has common sense