Stick a fork in em', they are done!

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by The Goat

^^^ I didn't know we only beat two playoff teams last year, anybody else? I knew the NFC East was a joke, which allowed us to win the division, but sounds like we really just had an especially easy schedule last season overall.

I do think RG can be salvaged as a QB, but highly highly highly doubt there's a coach currently on staff to do it. And then you still have a team that's otherwise a mess. Mike has made the team worse than the one he inherited. Way worse on defense. About the same on offense apart from the RO as a new gimmick to the league.

Would really love a coach like Lovie Smith who consistently produced a truly top defense and a disciplined team overall. Find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie. Let that group rebuild this team.

They beat the champs at least. How many teams on this year's schedule will make the playoffs? Broncos for sure. Bears, Lions and Packers can't all go. Falcons? Chiefs? Dare I say, Cowboys?

Let's say 4 or 5. They don't need to win more than 2-3 of those games. 9-7 could win the division. They win the division and it's 2 less games they would have played against playoff teams.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by The Goat

^^^ I didn't know we only beat two playoff teams last year, anybody else? I knew the NFC East was a joke, which allowed us to win the division, but sounds like we really just had an especially easy schedule last season overall.

I do think RG can be salvaged as a QB, but highly highly highly doubt there's a coach currently on staff to do it. And then you still have a team that's otherwise a mess. Mike has made the team worse than the one he inherited. Way worse on defense. About the same on offense apart from the RO as a new gimmick to the league.

Would really love a coach like Lovie Smith who consistently produced a truly top defense and a disciplined team overall. Find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie. Let that group rebuild this team.

Head coach 9 years made 3 playoffs and his win % is just over .500 add in playoff games and its .500. With such a good defense it makes them numbers look even worse.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Lovie Smith isn't coming here

I read somewhere that the feeling is RG can be salvaged as a QB but no one believes the current coaching staff can do so. According sources I have read, Lovie is really liked b/c he produces top defenses and builds a disciplined team. Ultimately, the plan is to find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie and let that group rebuild this team.

Pretty sure it's solid info, I got it all from a guy who knows an oil man in Denver.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I read somewhere that the feeling is RG can be salvaged as a QB but no one believes the current coaching staff can do so. According sources I have read, Lovie is really liked b/c he produces top defenses and builds a disciplined team. Ultimately, the plan is to find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie and let that group rebuild this team.

Pretty sure it's solid info, I got it all from a guy who knows an oil man in Denver.

At least that source has the good sense to want to cut Garcon and bring back Gaffney.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I read somewhere that the feeling is RG can be salvaged as a QB but no one believes the current coaching staff can do so. According sources I have read, Lovie is really liked b/c he produces top defenses and builds a disciplined team. Ultimately, the plan is to find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie and let that group rebuild this team.

Pretty sure it's solid info, I got it all from a guy who knows an oil man in Denver.

I stand corrected.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I read somewhere that the feeling is RG can be salvaged as a QB but no one believes the current coaching staff can do so. According sources I have read, Lovie is really liked b/c he produces top defenses and builds a disciplined team. Ultimately, the plan is to find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie and let that group rebuild this team.

Pretty sure it's solid info, I got it all from a guy who knows an oil man in Denver.

I used to love Lovie but .... the last few teams he's been on he has sucked as a HC. Bring him in to replace Haslett if you like but not as a HC.

I'd prefer Gruden as our next HC.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I used to love Lovie but .... the last few teams he's been on he has sucked as a HC. Bring him in to replace Haslett if you like but not as a HC.

I'd prefer Gruden as our next HC.

I don't know how I feel about Gruden, assuming he wanted to come out of retirement. I think he'd love to work with RG, but that's prolly true of any potential coach.

I assume when Shanahan goes BA stays at least for awhile, so probably the big question is whether BA would want Gruden here?

[SmootSmack]

What's your basis for saying Lovie's teams were disciplined?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What's your basis for saying Lovie's teams were disciplined?

You can't have a truly dominant, top tier defense and not be disciplined. The two things go hand in hand. Saw stats on the Bears defense recently throughout Lovie's tenure and it's truly amazing how good that unit was.

I see Lovie as a solid leader and again phenomenal defensive mind, but he needs a very good OC to run the offense. I think just about any OC would jump at the prospect of working with RG, right?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You can't have a truly dominant, top tier defense and not be disciplined. The two things go hand in hand. Saw stats on the Bears defense recently throughout Lovie's tenure and it's truly amazing how good that unit was.

I see Lovie as a solid leader and again phenomenal defensive mind, but he needs a very good OC to run the offense. I think just about any OC would jump at the prospect of working with RG, right?

So penalties, penalty yards. That doesn't really matter?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So penalties, penalty yards. That doesn't really matter?

That only matters if Shanahan is coaching.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You can't have a truly dominant, top tier defense and not be disciplined. The two things go hand in hand. Saw stats on the Bears defense recently throughout Lovie's tenure and it's truly amazing how good that unit was.

I see Lovie as a solid leader and again phenomenal defensive mind, but he needs a very good OC to run the offense. I think just about any OC would jump at the prospect of working with RG, right?

Who cares about Defense? Has anyone been watching the last few Super Bowls? What was the final score last year? Where did the Patriots and Giants rank on Defense?

The Skins were up 14-0 on the Seahawks in the playoffs last year with a Defense that ranked near the bottom. Yes, they played better down the stretch, but so could this year's squad.

[Green Monk Machine]

I'm a little dismayed from the absolute denial from some of you homers. It's admirable to go down swinging, but after the 3rd straight thumping it has to be wondered if there's brain trauma.
Unless you believe Hulk hogan really got his power from cheering fans or that Rocky could really take a trashing even into the 6th movie and still be a champion, than you guys are just as hopeless and only bound for further pain. I would hate to profit off disillusioned skins fans but put some money on it. There is no Santa stop believing.

[RedskinRat]

It'll be interesting to see the 180's after Sunday's game.

If only the Mod's would give us a color coded system by which we could see forum members state of mind, based on their past 10 football related posts.

[HailGreen28]

Was the plan all along, to put RG3 in knowing he wouldn't be 100%, because playing in games would help get him up to speed quicker?

Seems like a horrible risk of injury to RG3 (that hasn't blown up *yet*), and I would rather had Cousins come in and we win at least one game (Lions or Eagles), rather than tank the first 3 games. Cousins is no controversy to replace a healthy RG3.