The Bad Coaching, Offense, and Defense Post-Game Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think the best player today for Washington was Dustin Hopkins. That says everything we need to know.



Pretty much the way I thought this game would play out. The defense played a little better overall, but they gave up their signature big plays, and couldn't overcome the struggles on the offensive side.



It was a game that they absolutely should have won, but 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions (probably should have been 5), less than 50% completion percentage... hard to win with QB play like that.



I hope all the Heinicke lovers have come back to reality. Every single game that he has played could have turned out just like this one. You can dismiss all the dropped interceptions, and say that every quarterback does that, but he does it at a rate that is unacceptable. He has been lucky, and luck like that is unsustainable. I don't care how f'n gritty he is, he is not the long term solution, period.

Heinicke was put in terrible positions by Turner repeatedly. That said had he hit the wide open receiver on the first drive and kept that alive, and we went up 7-0 maybe he doesn't get as rattled later. I do wonder if Samuel's groin injury had something to do with the pass at the endzone, like it was a come back throw and Samuel's couldn't cut back. Seemed like the throw to Patterson in an earlier game where Patterson came back to the ball.

A couple errant throws, but better play calling and a defense that didn't give up 14 free points and we win that game with Heinicke at qb.

One last thing, did anyone think that if the defense made a stop on the last drive Heinicke could not have gotten the go ahead score. I know I felt like he could.

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[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah jamin Davis has been awful

Guy is a rookie who played 13 snaps, wasn't standing there admiring the leaping ability of the opposing receivers in our endzone . He is the least of our problems right now. Of course long term this is the guy who was picked by and is being coached by a group who right now don't seem to know their ass from their elbow, so his career path may not be long or glorious.

[FrenchSkin]

Call me crazy. But I enjoyed the game. Fun to watch. And I kinda feel a bit better about this team, not worse.
That's not saying much because I was as down as can be, even after our 2 wins. Our D hadn't shown anything so far.

I told you guys we were facing a good defense, and a solid DL.
So I'm not really mad at Heinicke, we know who he is right now, we know facing good defenses he's gonna make mistakes. He still made some nice plays.

Put the blown coverage and the Hail Mary aside for 20 sec (I'll come back to it), and I don't think our D played that bad. They made some stops, our DL made more plays than the previous weeks. CY had a decent game. Payne was on fire, again.

Now.

Let's get back to those 2 plays...

And to whom I'm mad at: LANDON EFFIN COLLINS and KYLE FREAKIN FULLER. Those 2 pieces of shit are not even allowed to lick my balls. They get to eat my turd after a KFC meal and a massive hangover.

If Ron is real about culture and accountability, they are getting benched/cut this week. This secondary is a burning pile of garbage. Juste, Curl, McTyer are ok. WJ3 is struggling but gets a couple of weeks before final judgement in my book. But Fuller and Collins can burn in football hell as far as I'm concerned. Unacceptable. Elevate Reaves, get him and Everett on the field. Try Darryl Roberts. And Moreland too... Oh no that's right we cut him because who needs one of the best slot CB in the league by many advanced stats ?!


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[skinsfan69]

Regarding Collins - he is a pile of 💩 no question. But at this point I blame the coaches for putting him out there. He sucked BEFORE he got hurt. Now he is worse yet they keep trotting him out there. That is on Ron and Del Rio. Is it cause he makes a lot? I don't get it.

[punch it in]

Said it once and I will say it again. Either 90 percent of our team stinks or our staff does. I pray it is the staff. I know it is the staff. We got holes just like any other team but our coaches shine a light on our weaknesses. They are turning a 7-9 win team into a 2-3 win team.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Said it once and I will say it again. Either 90 percent of our team stinks or our staff does. I pray it is the staff. I know it is the staff. We got holes just like any other team but our coaches shine a light on our weaknesses. They are turning a 7-9 win team into a 2-3 win team.

I'm with you. At some point if guys getting paid millions can't remember a quarter defense 5 weeks in a row it's on the staff. Some thing(s) ain't done right...

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I'm with you. At some point if guys getting paid millions can't remember a quarter defense 5 weeks in a row it's on the staff. Some thing(s) ain't done right...

Right. They keep making the same mistakes. If players just naturally knew where to line up and what to do we wouldn’t need damn coaches. These guys are not being coached correctly or they are collectively the dumbest 53 man roster in history. You can tell when a team just isnt skilled enough or physically gifted enough but they are coached well and trying. In our case we have some superb athletes who simply have no idea what they are supposed to do. This team might be the best example of why coaching matters ever.
Nobody on this board thought we were this bad. We weren’t nearly this bad last year. No talking head or football expert out there thought we were this bad before the season started.
So again either everyone in the world was wrong about our potential or our coaching staff is making us worse. People need to be fired. And im not talking about some dude we didn’t even know was on the sidelines as some sort of gesture.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Said it once and I will say it again. Either 90 percent of our team stinks or our staff does. I pray it is the staff. I know it is the staff. We got holes just like any other team but our coaches shine a light on our weaknesses. They are turning a 7-9 win team into a 2-3 win team.

Why did we go 7-9? Cause I can tell you right now if Joe Burrow does not rip his knee up it is 6-10. Then we got to play a rookie Jalen Hurts and then Sud. Who was the QB when we played Dallas? Dalton and someone else? Nick Mullens for the 49ers.

Then we get to Brady and they go for over 500 yards. If you are a good defense you do not allow anyone that amount of yardage. You rarely see 500 in NFL games. Last season all the breaks go our way.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why did we go 7-9? Cause I can tell you right now if Joe Burrow does not rip his knee up it is 6-10. Then we got to play a rookie Jalen Hurts and then Sud. Who was the QB when we played Dallas? Dalton and someone else? Nick Mullens for the 49ers.

Then we get to Brady and they go for over 500 yards. If you are a good defense you do not allow anyone that amount of yardage. You rarely see 500 in NFL games. Last season all the breaks go our way.

Yep this is exactly what happened folks, we got LUCKY to even be 7-9 last yr.. Ron is not a good coach I'm sorry and JDR is straight ass too. Heineke sucked yesterday but at least he has some fun moments, other than that this team is boring as hell to watch.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yep this is exactly what happened folks, we got LUCKY to even be 7-9 last yr.. Ron is not a good coach I'm sorry and JDR is straight ass too. Heineke sucked yesterday but at least he has some fun moments, other than that this team is boring as hell to watch.

I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.

Just like the QB situation, instead of drafting a QB this yr or last yr he ignores it and bring in Fitzmagic to be the guy... Dude is a 38 YO backup for a reason. Yeah hes fun to watch at times and I was hoping he'd work put but it didn't. Now you are back to square one , Heineke is a solid QB2 that's it

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.

My thoughts exactly, why is he ever anymore than 10 yards form the LOS, the other team can see him and know he cannot cover in space yet the team keep asking him to take deep cover responsibility.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why did we go 7-9? Cause I can tell you right now if Joe Burrow does not rip his knee up it is 6-10. Then we got to play a rookie Jalen Hurts and then Sud. Who was the QB when we played Dallas? Dalton and someone else? Nick Mullens for the 49ers.

Then we get to Brady and they go for over 500 yards. If you are a good defense you do not allow anyone that amount of yardage. You rarely see 500 in NFL games. Last season all the breaks go our way.

I wasn’t referring to last years team i was referring to what we thought this team would be this year. However I agree with you 100 percent. We should have been this bad last year. We definitely got lucky with opposing quarterbacks more than once.

[skinsfaninok]

Also they should just release the new name now, it would give us something to talk about other than this shitty season.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Also they should just release the new name now, it would give us something to talk about other than this shitty season.

They wouldn't want the new name to start off being associated with the current team, I think they baught into the optimism going into this season when setting the date to be after the superbowl. Wonder whether they are thinking about delaying it now lol