Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell...

MTK · 12-01-2005, 12:23 PM

Right, Brunell is afraid to throw deep, it has nothing to do with the way the defenses are playing us now, keeping the safeties over the top to not allow the deep stuff.

:yeahright

railcon56 · 12-01-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right, Brunell is afraid to throw deep, it has nothing to do with the way the defenses are playing us now, keeping the safeties over the top to not allow the deep stuff.

:yeahright

well then lets see that great offensive genius mind that i know gibbs has ..i remember gibbs going in at half time and countering anything the defenses were doing ...i havent seen that this time around

MTK · 12-01-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

well then lets see that great offensive genius mind that i know gibbs has ..i remember gibbs going in at half time and countering anything the defenses were doing ...i havent seen that this time around

I thought the offensive struggles were Brunell's fault?

railcon56 · 12-01-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I thought the offensive struggles were Brunell's fault?

well ur saying it was the defenses the way there were playing ...so i'm responding to that!!!

dmek25 · 12-01-2005, 12:43 PM

matty my reply has nothing to do with mark brunell,and everything to do with p ramsey.the truth of the matter is that #8 is 35 years old and neither one of our backups has much experience.that and the fact that both ramsey and cambell are about as mobile as a rock.with the way brunell played last year,lord knows if we will see that side of him again,but if we do,someone had better be ready.for some reason the coaches dont have any faith in ramsey.and dont give me that "its what they are seeing in practice"crap because im sure mark brunell wasnt sucking in practice last year and we all know what the results of last year were.the facts are,and i love coach gibbs to death but..brunell shouldve been yanked earlier to see if ramsey has a place on the redskins,or in that instance,in the nfl

Stacks42 · 12-01-2005, 12:44 PM

Brunell hasnt had any great long throws since week 3 against Dallas. When was the last time you saw Moss or anyone for that matter catch one of Brunell's passes in stride? and then go for a touchdown? Great QB's can "thread the needle" and are able to throw into double coverage, he can't or won't for some reason. Great! Brunell doesnt have many pix this season, but that doesnt often times happen when you throw the ball 10-15 yards, or do a WR screen, thats where all of his passes are going. I would much rather have a QB with a future (Ramsey) back there willing to throw the long ball, and maybe get a pic, than Brunell who when the game is on the line prefers to take a sack or throw it out of bounds. Brunell has showed sparks of greatness while with the Skins, but so has Ramsey, he may throw pics, but he doesnt fumble every time he gets sacked. Give him a shot!

railcon56 · 12-01-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

matty my reply has nothing to do with mark brunell,and everything to do with p ramsey.the truth of the matter is that #8 is 35 years old and neither one of our backups has much experience.that and the fact that both ramsey and cambell are about as mobile as a rock.with the way brunell played last year,lord knows if we will see that side of him again,but if we do,someone had better be ready.for some reason the coaches dont have any faith in ramsey.and dont give me that "its what they are seeing in practice"crap because im sure mark brunell wasnt sucking in practice last year and we all know what the results of last year were.the facts are,and i love coach gibbs to death but..brunell shouldve been yanked earlier to see if ramsey has a place on the redskins,or in that instance,in the nfl

so right

railcon56 · 12-01-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

Brunell hasnt had any great long throws since week 3 against Dallas. When was the last time you saw Moss or anyone for that matter catch one of Brunell's passes in stride? and then go for a touchdown? Great QB's can "thread the needle" and are able to throw into double coverage, he can't or won't for some reason. Great! Brunell doesnt have many pix this season, but that doesnt often times happen when you throw the ball 10-15 yards, or do a WR screen, thats where all of his passes are going. I would much rather have a QB with a future (Ramsey) back there willing to throw the long ball, and maybe get a pic, than Brunell who when the game is on the line prefers to take a sack or throw it out of bounds. Brunell has showed sparks of greatness while with the Skins, but so has Ramsey, he may throw pics, but he doesnt fumble every time he gets sacked. Give him a shot!

perfect

FirstandTen · 12-01-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

Brunell hasnt had any great long throws since week 3 against Dallas. When was the last time you saw Moss or anyone for that matter catch one of Brunell's passes in stride? and then go for a touchdown? Great QB's can "thread the needle" and are able to throw into double coverage, he can't or won't for some reason. Great! Brunell doesnt have many pix this season, but that doesnt often times happen when you throw the ball 10-15 yards, or do a WR screen, thats where all of his passes are going. I would much rather have a QB with a future (Ramsey) back there willing to throw the long ball, and maybe get a pic, than Brunell who when the game is on the line prefers to take a sack or throw it out of bounds. Brunell has showed sparks of greatness while with the Skins, but so has Ramsey, he may throw pics, but he doesnt fumble every time he gets sacked. Give him a shot!

Ramsey has a live arm but so did Heath.

railcon56 · 12-01-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Ramsey has a live arm but so did Heath.

Dont get me started on that 1 please..lmao

dmek25 · 12-01-2005, 01:35 PM

i not trying to rip brunell but sooner or later some one has to find out if patrick can play pro football.as for this season,brunell plays the whole season unless we are mathematically eliminated

MTK · 12-01-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

for some reason the coaches dont have any faith in ramsey.and dont give me that "its what they are seeing in practice"crap because im sure mark brunell wasnt sucking in practice last year and we all know what the results of last year were.the facts are,and i love coach gibbs to death but..brunell shouldve been yanked earlier to see if ramsey has a place on the redskins,or in that instance,in the nfl

So why is Ramsey on the bench??

Is this another personal "conspiracy theory" vendetta the coaches have against a player, like Williams with Arrington?

Are the Skins holding back Ramsey because they don't like him for some odd reason?

No, it's because what they've seen from him, they don't trust that he is a better QB than Mark Brunell. And with the way Brunell has played this year how can anyone disagree with them?

The Ramsey apologists keep pointing to what could be with Ramsey... are you saying we should have replaced Brunell a few weeks ago when the team was still in the hunt? Why in the hell would we replace a QB who is having a stellar season... just to see what Ramsey may or may not be capable of?? Huh? You really lost me there.

dmek25 · 12-01-2005, 03:26 PM

im not saying replace brunell.my beef is with what happened last year.now we really dont know what p ramsey is capable of given a full season without the threat of being yanked.there is no way i have given up on this team.i was around when coach gibbs came around the first time,started 0-5,wound up being 8-8.as far as im concerned,this team is very capable of running the table.as far as brunell(who is soon to be 36)he is having a pro bowl type year,given the fact that the redskins have had pretty much one receiver all year,not counting chris cooley

MTK · 12-01-2005, 03:33 PM

Ok, I thought you were talking about this year.

I still don't understand why people are still hung up on last year though.

Brunell has had 1 subpar year out of 13. That's called a fluke in my book. I get the feeling some people are just waiting (hoping?) for him to crash and burn again.

skinsguy · 12-01-2005, 04:11 PM

People are just trying to find something to complain about. Most of those "realists" who only find things to complain about use last year like some crutch. And I do believe they hope we crumble this year so as to be proven right. It seems like being right is more important than seeing this team succeed with this current coaching staff and roster.

12-01-2005, 12:23 PM	#61
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... Right, Brunell is afraid to throw deep, it has nothing to do with the way the defenses are playing us now, keeping the safeties over the top to not allow the deep stuff. :yeahright

12-01-2005, 12:43 PM	#65
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... matty my reply has nothing to do with mark brunell,and everything to do with p ramsey.the truth of the matter is that #8 is 35 years old and neither one of our backups has much experience.that and the fact that both ramsey and cambell are about as mobile as a rock.with the way brunell played last year,lord knows if we will see that side of him again,but if we do,someone had better be ready.for some reason the coaches dont have any faith in ramsey.and dont give me that "its what they are seeing in practice"crap because im sure mark brunell wasnt sucking in practice last year and we all know what the results of last year were.the facts are,and i love coach gibbs to death but..brunell shouldve been yanked earlier to see if ramsey has a place on the redskins,or in that instance,in the nfl

12-01-2005, 12:44 PM	#66
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 48 Posts: 836	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... Brunell hasnt had any great long throws since week 3 against Dallas. When was the last time you saw Moss or anyone for that matter catch one of Brunell's passes in stride? and then go for a touchdown? Great QB's can "thread the needle" and are able to throw into double coverage, he can't or won't for some reason. Great! Brunell doesnt have many pix this season, but that doesnt often times happen when you throw the ball 10-15 yards, or do a WR screen, thats where all of his passes are going. I would much rather have a QB with a future (Ramsey) back there willing to throw the long ball, and maybe get a pic, than Brunell who when the game is on the line prefers to take a sack or throw it out of bounds. Brunell has showed sparks of greatness while with the Skins, but so has Ramsey, he may throw pics, but he doesnt fumble every time he gets sacked. Give him a shot! __________________ The NEXT special teams coordinator

12-01-2005, 01:35 PM	#71
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... i not trying to rip brunell but sooner or later some one has to find out if patrick can play pro football.as for this season,brunell plays the whole season unless we are mathematically eliminated

12-01-2005, 03:26 PM	#73
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... im not saying replace brunell.my beef is with what happened last year.now we really dont know what p ramsey is capable of given a full season without the threat of being yanked.there is no way i have given up on this team.i was around when coach gibbs came around the first time,started 0-5,wound up being 8-8.as far as im concerned,this team is very capable of running the table.as far as brunell(who is soon to be 36)he is having a pro bowl type year,given the fact that the redskins have had pretty much one receiver all year,not counting chris cooley

12-01-2005, 03:33 PM	#74
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... Ok, I thought you were talking about this year. I still don't understand why people are still hung up on last year though. Brunell has had 1 subpar year out of 13. That's called a fluke in my book. I get the feeling some people are just waiting (hoping?) for him to crash and burn again.

12-01-2005, 04:11 PM	#75
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell... People are just trying to find something to complain about. Most of those "realists" who only find things to complain about use last year like some crutch. And I do believe they hope we crumble this year so as to be proven right. It seems like being right is more important than seeing this team succeed with this current coaching staff and roster. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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