2011 NFL Draft

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Have heard from four different people now (and maybe they're all hearing it from the same person) that the Seahawks like Dalton at #25 and the Broncos like Ponder or Kaepernick (if either is there) at the top of the 2nd.

I figured as such with Dalton after finally getting a chance to watch him. He probably deserves a second round grade but with his accuracy and intangibles some team will have no problem taking him late in the first. Ponder on the other hand I could easily see falling to the early 3rd round like McCoy. Based on the scenario you laid out I would guess that the Bronco's would lean more towards Kaepernick if for nothing more then the fact that Elway would probably see more of himself in Kaepernick.

By the way I still say we're going to take Locker with our first pick, weather it be at 10 or the late teens via trade back. This is Shanahan's guy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I figured as such with Dalton after finally getting a chance to watch him. He probably deserves a second round grade but with his accuracy and intangibles some team will have no problem taking him late in the first. Ponder on the other hand I could easily see falling to the early 3rd round like McCoy. Based on the scenario you laid out I would guess that the Bronco's would lean more towards Kaepernick if for nothing more then the fact that Elway would probably see more of himself in Kaepernick.

By the way I still say we're going to take Locker with our first pick, weather it be at 10 or the late teens via trade back. This is Shanahan's guy.

No longer convinced it's Newton?

I'm sticking to my thought that if we stay at #10 and he's there, Quinn's our guy...in large part 'cause I'm too lazy to think otherwise

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No longer convinced it's Newton?

I'm sticking to my thought that if we stay at #10 and he's there, Quinn's our guy...in large part 'cause I'm too lazy to think otherwise

Ehhh, I had to give up on Newton after hearing that he's pretty much a lock to be a top 5 pick. Locker on the other hand is guaranteed to be there at 10 but more then likely will have been gone by pick 41 and as of now they have no ammo to trade up, as players and next years picks are off limits in trades.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Ehhh, I had to give up on Newton after hearing that he's pretty much a lock to be a top 5 pick. Locker on the other hand is guaranteed to be there at 10 but more then likely will have been gone by pick 41 and as of now they have no ammo to trade up, as players and next years picks are off limits in trades.

Not exactly true. You can trade future picks, but at your own risk. Suppose traded Rex Grossman for a 2012 7th rounder. Then a new CBA is agreed upon, and one of the new conditions is the draft is now just 6 rounds. We're out of luck. Or consider the 4th we have from Oakland next year in the Campbell trade. Suppose there's no draft next year. Screwed again

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Ehhh, I had to give up on Newton after hearing that he's pretty much a lock to be a top 5 pick. Locker on the other hand is guaranteed to be there at 10 but more then likely will have been gone by pick 41 and as of now they have no ammo to trade up, as players and next years picks are off limits in trades.

Why give away draft picks to trade up for Locker when you can get a better QB in Kaepernick at 41?

#10 - Defensive front or linebacker
#41 - Colin Kaepernick

BOOM! WINNING!!!

[diehard]

Redskins are on the clock today. NFLN Path to the Draft 6pm ET. Replay 10pm ET.

[diehard]

It's difficult trying to process all of the scenarios on and before draft day. There are also questions about what will be done about Haynesworth, McNabb, and other players who haven't re-signed. It seems that a lot of these questions will satisfied after the team has positioned themselves to take the best players available in the draft. If Julio Jones or A.J. Green fall into their lap, there's likely no need to re-sign Moss. Bringing McNabb back hinges on if and however the team can set themselves up to draft a potential, future franchise-QB*. Should Haynesworth be retained? He has already been paid the bulk of his contract but, if Fairley or Cam Jordan (DE in our 3-4 front) is available at 10th overall or a trade down yields an additional pick to draft Phil Taylor or Kendrick Ellis and a QB*. Again, the scenarios are boundless. What the team has to do with very few early picks and so many holes to fill and/or upgrade is draft the best player available (besides TE), bring in more stopgap vets, and give the younger, late round selections a chance to develop.

Something that plays a significant role in what goes down on draft day is strength/depth of each position. For example, if top-tier talent QBs are scarce, this generally will push them up the draft board. This is also a key consideration for teams to trade up. In contrast, if a position is relatively deep, teams can generally be at ease that there will be plenty of talent available later.

Saying all of that, here's my wishlist/prediction for staying put at 10th overall and trading down (with NEs 28th and 33rd overall for the 10th overall 1240 vs 1300 trade value points in favor of NE). I have a feeling that A.J. Green and Julio Jones both will be gone at the 10th pick. Also, CIN should be in the market for a QB in the second (35) if they haven't nabbed one early in the first. It’s just a coincidence that I have a CB drafted for each first round pick. It seems as these guys would be the best player available in my mock.

Staying Put
1 (10): Prince Amukamara
2 (41): Jake "The Snake II" Locker

Trade Scenario
1 (28): Brandon Harris
2 (33): Jake "The Snake II" Locker
2 (41): Justin Houston

[skinsfaninok]

I'm going with a VY/Jake Locker duo next year.

[skinsfaninok]

you guys and your damn PONDER lol

[Terpfan76]

I don't know if he can play NT, but I'm sure he could play DE in the 3-4 alignment. At 6'2" and approx 310lbs, I think he could play the NT spot, but he'd be better at End.

[SmootSmack]

NFL Videos: Redskins on the clock

[SmootSmack]

Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

Blaine Gabbert

Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

Jake Locker
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

Christian Ponder
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

Blaine Gabbert

Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

Jake Locker
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

Christian Ponder
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.

I'm with Shonka. I'll say this too, if Gabbert falls to 10th overall, I'm jumping for joy.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by diehard

I'm with Shonka. I'll say this too, if Gabbert falls to 10th overall, I'm jumping for joy.

Gabbert could easily go to Carolina, but will not fall past Arizona. Newton will likely be in Buffalo and possibly Carolina as well.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

Blaine Gabbert

Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

Jake Locker
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

Christian Ponder
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.

If we can't trade down from 10, then I'm all for trading back into the 1st to get Locker. I would hope that we will not be in position the next few drafts to get a blue-chip prospect.