Redskins at Bucs game thread

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

The only resume on Monster.com for GM is Casserly. I agree that we need one, but where do you go? There needs to be some young upstart. College players are different now. The NFL is different. Personally, I would have preferred a Bethard hire over a Gibbs hire. If we make a change in coaching (Gibbs will step down - he will not be fired), I'd rather see Cower than Grimm. Mainly because if Cower is here, Greg Williams is gone.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Make your excuses for him all you want. Ultimately the head coach must bear the weight of a losing team. This is a losing team. Gibbs has the talent here, but poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and poor execution = another season of mediocrity. This team is 8-8 at best, and if that's the best he can do, then I say hire a GM and Russ Grimm.

No excuses, all I want is this franchise to be a Superbowl contender year in and out. You are absolutely right on the Head Coach being responsible for the success/failure of his team. But, we do not currently have playoff caliber talent on this team right now. Campbell will get there, but this is essentially still his first season, Portis is past his prime and not a good fit for our offense, or WRs are awful, our OL is playing with a backup RG & RT (an undrafted FA). On defense, our DL scares no one, Washington has been hurt, Fletcher is an All-Pro level player, our corners are average at best, Landry is a rookie and Taylor is out. Poor execution has nothing to do with coaching, that is on the players.

Are Greg Williams and Al Saunders good coordinators, I don't think so. Have the poor personnel decisions been their fault, yes. Lloyd and Randle El were hand picked by Saunders and Archuletta was hand-picked by GW. Gibbs isn't going to throw those guys under the bus, but I've said in other posts, after the season, Gibbs needs to go into the front office as the GM with complete control and a new coach needs to be brought in.

Is Russ Grimm the answer at Head Coach, I don't know. Arizona isn't blowing the doors of the offensive stat categories and Pittsburgh didn't last year either.

[Rhaamses]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

No excuses, all I want is this franchise to be a Superbowl contender year in and out. You are absolutely right on the Head Coach being responsible for the success/failure of his team. But, we do not currently have playoff caliber talent on this team right now. Campbell will get there, but this is essentially still his first season, Portis is past his prime and not a good fit for our offense, or WRs are awful, our OL is playing with a backup RG & RT (an undrafted FA). On defense, our DL scares no one, Washington has been hurt, Fletcher is an All-Pro level player, our corners are average at best, Landry is a rookie and Taylor is out. Poor execution has nothing to do with coaching, that is on the players.

Are Greg Williams and Al Saunders good coordinators, I don't think so. Have the poor personnel decisions been their fault, yes. Lloyd and Randle El were hand picked by Saunders and Archuletta was hand-picked by GW. Gibbs isn't going to throw those guys under the bus, but I've said in other posts, after the season, Gibbs needs to go into the front office as the GM with complete control and a new coach needs to be brought in.

Is Russ Grimm the answer at Head Coach, I don't know. Arizona isn't blowing the doors of the offensive stat categories and Pittsburgh didn't last year either.

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[chrisl4064]

Its not just Campbells mistakes and saying its only his first year, the entire offense needs to be looked at now. we have guy dropping balls, fumbling, all-pro lineman getting embarassed. So im not just waiting for Campbell to develop, im thinking there is a lot more to it.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

Its not just Campbells mistakes and saying its only his first year, the entire offense needs to be looked at now. we have guy dropping balls, fumbling, all-pro lineman getting embarassed. So im not just waiting for Campbell to develop, im thinking there is a lot more to it.

That is true, but despite all those mistakes, they've been putting him in a position to win a game each week, and he can't do it.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

That is true, but despite all those mistakes, they've been putting him in a position to win a game each week, and he can't do it.

oh i totally agree, but when people tell me hes young and needs to develop im wondering how even if he was ridiculously good if he could handle other veteran players fumbling and dropping balls. there are a lot of problems with this team.

[Rhaamses]

Its actually 21 starts to 18, but I do believe that not only the time on the bench, but the KISS (Keep is simple stupid) playbook helps Romo. It truly not fair when you consider line play, weapons and maturity. You truly judge a QB equally after three to five years, not 18 starts.

[squrrelco3]

k guys...I'm out of here....peace all

[desperadoinfl]

I would understand Jayson trying to force it if he were under pressure. He threw two late interceptions and cost us the game. He did the same thing against Dallas, 3 bad passes to end the game. No excuses.

[chrisl4064]

Injuries had nothing to do with this game. We have been doing quite well with adjusting to the guys we have. The coaches had all week to prepare with the players available. The fumbles by veteran players placing a young QB in a tough situation is what lost this game for us. Campbell of course is also to blame because this will not be the last time he will be expected to lead us out of a mess. But bottom line is our key veteran guys let us down today.

[GusFrerotte]

Well one more year will tell us if JC is the man or not. I would hope if the QB from Mizzou is available we would take him. Tough, cannon arm, quick, can run, smart. JC is good, but we have lost too many games on the last drive as a result of a late turnover as we are trying to stage a comeback like today. Gibbs isn't the man anymore.

[GusFrerotte]

Who is a FA after this season? 10-6 is a very generous mark for this team if we lose some key components. We are a bunch of maroons(Bugs Bunny) and dupes for always buying into the hype surrounding this team. Saunders and Williams are crappy at best. Gibbs is not the same man as in 1981-92, and is only a medicore coach anymore. We keep these maroons around another season, any real talent we have will bolt for other teams, then we will be in a constant state of flux. We are in trouble, big, big, trouble!

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Who is a FA after this season? 10-6 is a very generous mark for this team if we lose some key components. We are a bunch of maroons(Bugs Bunny) and dupes for always buying into the hype surrounding this team. Saunders and Williams are crappy at best. Gibbs is not the same man as in 1981-92, and is only a medicore coach anymore. We keep these maroons around another season, any real talent we have will bolt for other teams, then we will be in a constant state of flux. We are in trouble, big, big, trouble!

Gus,
I believe you are overstating your opinion because you are pissed.
Saunders and Williams are not crappy...but they may be above average.
Gibbs is average and certainly not mediocre and I highly doubt talent will leave due to the coaching....in fact....I believe, the players will be embarrased that they didn't play better for them...especially Gibbs.

But I do agree that this certainly is not a 10-6 team, always have.
If they played 4 quarters instead of a half every game they would be....but....only top teams do that, and the Skins were 5-9 last season with essentially the same team.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Gus,
I believe you are overstating your opinion because you are pissed.
Saunders and Williams are not crappy...but they may be above average.
Gibbs is average and certainly not mediocre and I highly doubt talent will leave due to the coaching....in fact....I believe, the players will be embarrased that they didn't play better for them...especially Gibbs.

But I do agree that this certainly is not a 10-6 team, always have.
If they played 4 quarters instead of a half every game they would be....but....only top teams do that, and the Skins were 5-9 last season with essentially the same team.

Just being overly dramatic. But mediocre does pretty much mean average. How many titles has Saunders or Williams won being assistants(or as HC with Williams)? I have to hand it to Williams, he has come through more oft than not, but Saunders has been crappy. 700+ page playbook, dynamic offense my ass! Not sure next season is going to be any better than this one, just with the probable injuries we will sustain next season alone might drag us down again.

[funked]

OK, so I don't post much. I read this site to calm my nerves after hard losses and revel in great wins.

I'm posting this to vent a little, so bear with me. I don't blame the skins, I blame the NFL.

I don't think the redskins have had a better staff than they have now. Would you rather have Norv Turner and Ray Rhodes? They were the last more successful coaching staff (If I remember right).

The problem is talent, and we are not alone. Look at the NFL standings. Who is really above the cut here? Patriots, Colts, Cowboys (pains me to type that BTW), Steelers, and Packers. Other than that, the rest of the league is mediocre (or really bad - but that's another issue).

In my opinion, teams like the jaguars, giants, seahawks, titans, broncos, eagles, ravens, panthers, bengals, chiefs, etc. have good coaches. But yet they fail to even reach .500 so far this year. Even the teams that are above .500 made it by just a few lucky plays. It's like a league full of even teams. I know that's the point of parity, but I think it's weak.

What I liked about the NFL B.F.A. (before free agency) was that when it was your turn to be a dynasty it was great. The playoffs used to be beyond belief. I remember several 14-2 teams not making the superbowl when I was younger. This year, if you are 14-2 you're in.

So far, the skins this year have proven to be even with the league. A couple bad plays and you lose, a couple good ones and you win. I'm sure it's exciting to watch if you're not a fan of the team and find every close loss excruciatingly painful like I do. There is nothing worse than watching your favorite team blow a lead or fail to tie or win when given the chance.

I don't blame Jason Campbell, the entire team is missing a player here or there. An extra defensive lineman, safety, cornerback, offensive lineman, receiver, or whatever could mean the game. The culprit is the salary cap. Would they have won with Antonio Pierce and Derrick Dockery? Maybe.

The point I'm making is that I don't feel like Joe is to blame. I wish they were better, but without better players, it won't happen. There used to be a lot of good teams in the NFL, now there are less. The skins are just in the 80% of teams out there that haven't found that magic number that takes them further. But whatever, I'll go back to lurking around now...