The perfect trade for Ramsey

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Exactly. And "bonafied starter" is an awfully vague term. But whatever, he believes that Ramsey is the real deal and that Brunell had no positive impact whatsoever on our team this year. Good for him. It helps him sleep at night

Yeah and I think he is right 100% right!!!! And I sleep very well too

[724Skinsfan]

An interesting search reveals that Gibbs had never drafted a QB in the first round until Jason Campbell. Jay Schroeder and Cary Conklin were both 2nd round picks. Gibbs is a gut feeling type of guy. I think he sees uncertainty in Patrick and needs somoeone who steps up and assumes a leadership role willingly. Patrick so far has shown that he is a thrower, not a passer (yet). I was a Ramsey fan now I'm not excited to keep him nor glad to see him go. A lot of good QB's take a while to develop even then it is sometimes a case of "right time, right place". Patrick may not be lost cause but I think Gibbs is ready to let Jason Campbell be the next QB to take the 'Skins to the Super Bowl.

[skinsguy]

I guess TAFKAS! I just don't understand it. If Ramsey was starting and had the same exact year that Brunell had or better, then I would have fully supported Ramsey. My loyality lies with the team and not just certain players. I stick up for Brunell, because everybody wrote him off last year - including myself. He came back this year and had a very good year for the most part. I realize he had some bad games, but even the Super Bowl quarterbacks we had on this team had bad games once in awhile.

However, if Jason Campbell steps in next year and shows he's ready, then I'll support him 100%! If somehow Ramsey stays on the team (not likely) and starts and plays well, I'll support him. But, I'll keep supporting Brunell as long as he plays and brings in wins for us. If he can't, Gibbs and company are smart enough to know when to the pull the trigger. They haven't made any bad personnel decisions yet.

[bigmarley4]

When we have these discussions about PR, no one ever seems to consider what Ramsey wants to do. He does not want to be a backup for us, period. This whole, "let's keep him another year as a backup to Brunell" debate is pointless if he doesn't want to be here. Gibbs NEVER keeps guys who don't want to play for him, and Ramsey is good enough to at least compete for a starting job at a few teams in the NFL. I will not comment on the "will ge be good elsewhere" debate because I frankly have no idea if he will be a good QB, as I've seen good things and bad things from him. But unless he is completely willing to be a backup, we won't keep him, and I think JC should be our #2 guy next year anyways.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I guess TAFKAS! I just don't understand it. If Ramsey was starting and had the same exact year that Brunell had or better, then I would have fully supported Ramsey. My loyality lies with the team and not just certain players. I stick up for Brunell, because everybody wrote him off last year - including myself. He came back this year and had a very good year for the most part. I realize he had some bad games, but even the Super Bowl quarterbacks we had on this team had bad games once in awhile.

However, if Jason Campbell steps in next year and shows he's ready, then I'll support him 100%! If somehow Ramsey stays on the team (not likely) and starts and plays well, I'll support him. But, I'll keep supporting Brunell as long as he plays and brings in wins for us. If he can't, Gibbs and company are smart enough to know when to the pull the trigger. They haven't made any bad personnel decisions yet.

Ditto.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by offiss

I really don't want to sound cocky about this, but IT IS only a matter of time before Ramsey proves he's a bonified starter, I have no doubt in my mind. But it's just senseless at this point to keep debating, we can come back to this when it's all said and done and reflect on who was right and who was wrong, we are just going in circles.

Its only a matter of time until Halley's comet comes around again too. Whether or not any of us will be alive to see it is another question.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Its only a matter of time until Halley's comet comes around again too. Whether or not any of us will be alive to see it is another question.

Zing!!

[CRT3]

Charles Rodgers from Detroit. Young great talent with some risk on the Skins part.

[skinsfan1982]

I think we should package Ramsey and Betts in a deal for the Jets 2nd round pick. Although I like Betts as a runner, we have Rock and Nemo, and we also have Manuel White who I am sure will return strong from his fractured fibula, and Al Saunders will probably convert him back to a fullback who carries the ball, rather than a H-Back. We will have two number 2 picks, and with Ramsey and Betts both in the last years of their contracts, and with long term options supposedly set at both positions Campbell/Portis, we should be good to draft a receiver and defensive end who can contribute right away; positions we desparately need to take care of. I think it would be a good trade for both teams, since the Jets would get a young quaterback and young running back that have displayed talent, although somewhat inconsistently. Chad Pennington may never be full strength, and Curtis Martin (age) and Derrick Blaylock (backup at best) are not the answer in New York.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by skinsfan1982

I think we should package Ramsey and Betts in a deal for the Jets 2nd round pick. Although I like Betts as a runner, we have Rock and Nemo, and we also have Manuel White who I am sure will return strong from his fractured fibula, and Al Saunders will probably convert him back to a fullback who carries the ball, rather than a H-Back. We will have two number 2 picks, and with Ramsey and Betts both in the last years of their contracts, and with long term options supposedly set at both positions Campbell/Portis, we should be good to draft a receiver and defensive end who can contribute right away; positions we desparately need to take care of. I think it would be a good trade for both teams, since the Jets would get a young quaterback and young running back that have displayed talent, although somewhat inconsistently. Chad Pennington may never be full strength, and Curtis Martin (age) and Derrick Blaylock (backup at best) are not the answer in New York.

That may be a very good option!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You also seem to glance over turnovers as if they're not of any importance when evaluating a QB. But in fact turnovers are the biggest reason any team wins or loses any given game. Brunell's 23 TDs to 10 INTs this year speaks for itself. The QB rating may have been 85.9 this year, just as Ramsey's was last year. But Brunell's QB rating was depressed by the number of times he chose to throw the ball away in tough situations rather than force passes.

um, its 23 TDs to 10 ints AND 11 fumbles... just so we're not ignoring an important stat.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by CRT3

Charles Rodgers from Detroit. Young great talent with some risk on the Skins part.

with a drug problem, massive injury problems and a great attitude of half assing it in practice and in games.

[bertoskins]

no way detroit will deal with ramsey, since they have a high draft pick they will used it for a top prospective qb, like cutler

so best way is for jets and miami

[56FAN]

Ramsey for roy williams.too sweet.

[GoSkins!]

Ramsey for some guy we all think will be to small and injury prone and will never make it as a first or second receiver.

Wait a minute... that was Coles....



You can bet that there is someone on the radar and it may not be who we think.

We should research who had stats like Moss had before he joined the Skins. A guy can get open, hold on to the ball, and whos stats show he could be a big time receiver if he had more touches.