Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

GTripp, I'm not gonna quote your whole post b/c it's wicked long, but dead on. You and I see 100% eye to eye on this issue. If there is one thing the Skins FO should have learned by now with all the bad moves we've made, it's IGNORE THE HYPE. Bread and butter baby. Run the ball, stop the run. STOP THE RUN. Calvin Johnson may well end up putting up Randy Moss type numbers. But he's just as easily a bust. Just ask the Lions how well drafting a WR prospect with gaudy combine numbers worked out for them. D-line is where we need help. Address the need. Address the need.

Ignore the hype is the entire key to building a successful franchise in this league.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

GTripp, I'm not gonna quote your whole post b/c it's wicked long, but dead on. You and I see 100% eye to eye on this issue. If there is one thing the Skins FO should have learned by now with all the bad moves we've made, it's IGNORE THE HYPE. Bread and butter baby. Run the ball, stop the run. STOP THE RUN. Calvin Johnson may well end up putting up Randy Moss type numbers. But he's just as easily a bust. Just ask the Lions how well drafting a WR prospect with gaudy combine numbers worked out for them. D-line is where we need help. Address the need. Address the need.

Actually, in the Lions case, they took mega hyped wide receivers (one of the critical errors of building a franchise), a mistake they made way too many times. In defense of Matt Millen, it's just horrible luck that his WR crop of 2003-2005 was as crappy as it was. However, that was 3 years in a row where he passed on players at impact positions on a team that had a lot more serious issues than WR. Even if he had gotten something out of Rogers and Williams, he still made 3 critical errors. Roy Williams appears to have himself a career, but he's going to have to pick up his play in order to justify the 7th overall pick. The other two are just inexcusable.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Actually, in the Lions case, they took mega hyped wide receivers (one of the critical errors of building a franchise), a mistake they made way too many times. In defense of Matt Millen, it's just horrible luck that his WR crop of 2003-2005 was as crappy as it was. However, that was 3 years in a row where he passed on players at impact positions on a team that had a lot more serious issues than WR. Even if he had gotten something out of Rogers and Williams, he still made 3 critical errors. Roy Williams appears to have himself a career, but he's going to have to pick up his play in order to justify the 7th overall pick. The other two are just inexcusable.

Roy Williams looks like he can be a great WR. Charles Rodgers, Mike Williams, etc.... I don't have the info in front of me, but I'm sure there were some solid QB's, RB's, and O-lineman taken long after them that would be helping that team a ton if their FO had any brains. Point being, the Lions are just an example of how you need to address needs in the draft, not just make that sexy pick.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

brevity is the soul of wit

Brevity may not be one of GTripp's attributes, but his posts are dead on with regard to this CJ topic. I hate the idea of mortgaging more of the Redskins roster/future on hype. We should know better by now.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

brevity is the soul of wit

Sometimes, I have stuff to say.

*shrugs*

I'm no english major.

[Beemnseven]

I hate to use Albert Connell as an example, but '99 was a good year for him. He's one example of how a mid-round pick took a couple of years to develop, and came out of nowhere to provide a nice complimentary role opposite Michael Westbrook.

Turns out it was only pure luck that both of them finally found a groove both in the same season and allowed us to have the most explosive offense of 1999 second only to the St. Louis Rams.

Maybe it's a bad example because we all know what happened to both Connell and Westbrook. I think if Brad Johnson could have been more consistent, and Westbrook hadn't gotten injured in the second game of the 2000 season, we might have had yet another prolific duo at wideout and a strong campaign that year.

[GTripp0012]

I actually believe that you draft for value, but that value is relative to a players' position, and to your needs. If there were no good DL this year, I wouldn't be advocating the use of the #6 pick on a DLineman.

But there are some pretty good ones out there, and we can't justify passing on all of them.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I actually believe that you draft for value, but that value is relative to a players' position, and to your needs. If there were no good DL this year, I wouldn't be advocating the use of the #6 pick on a DLineman.

But there are some pretty good ones out there, and we can't justify passing on all of them.

The depth at DL in this years' draft is absurd. Adams, Anderson, Okoye, Branch, Carriker, Moss, Crowder, Spencer, Harrell, DeMarcus Tyler, (the other) Calvin Johnson (DE)... I'm probably forgetting some people- It's one of the deepest drafts in years for D-line

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Jigsaw1

Well you know what i think

it would be pretty stupid of the redskins to trade with cleveland
just to get Calvin

because we all know thats what they want to do

and why would u say it is so stupid CJ is the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Not saying I'd support this trade at all, but RBs are easy to come by and a third round pick could still nab a pretty good DE or DT.

Again, not saying I support this trade, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Not saying I'd support this trade at all, but RBs are easy to come by and a third round pick could still nab a pretty good DE or DT.

Again, not saying I support this trade, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.

where are we going to get a replacement? we dont pick again until the 5th round. at that point, we haven't addressed the true need, a DE or DT.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

where are we going to get a replacement? we dont pick again until the 5th round. at that point, we haven't addressed the true need, a DE or DT.

We already have a couple on the roster. Not saying I want Rock Cartwright starting, but I won't mind him in there for a breather for Portis either.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Jigsaw1

Well you know what i think

it would be pretty stupid of the redskins to trade with cleveland
just to get Calvin

because we all know thats what they want to do

welcome, and i don't think the skins want anything to do with Johnson. right now it seems like every day the skins have a trade lined up with someone for their number 6 pick. this is good work by the front office. if someone really wants that pick, they are thinking there are some other suitors out there, that also want the pick. this way the skins get maximum value for their pick. and is your user name a reference to the saw movies?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by dmek25

welcome, and i don't think the skins want anything to do with Johnson. right now it seems like every day the skins have a trade lined up with someone for their number 6 pick. this is good work by the front office. if someone really wants that pick, they are thinking there are some other suitors out there, that also want the pick. this way the skins get maximum value for their pick. and is your user name a reference to the saw movies?

naw that is my cousin it is his nickname

[hail_2_da_skins]

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. The Skins are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. They get no respect! The Lance Briggs deal is a joke. This rumor is even worse. No way in hell do you give up Ladell Betts, #6 overall pick and a second round pick for next year to draft a wide receiver. That's just stupid. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is or could be. That's just dumb, when you have the worst pass rush in the NFL and its been that way for a couple of years. Whether the Skins move up or down or even stay put in the draft, they better pick a defensive linemen or else I will be sick.