Its time for joe to step down.

[redduke44]

Thanks for keeping real my redskin brother.What they gonna say next week when the cowboys beat the brakes off us in texas.T.O. is gonna run wild on us and we,ll be trying to kick field golds on fourth and inches.

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What explains last season then? I just see a guy doing the " they fought their guts out" routine when they lose a game they deserved to win most of the time. Clock management has stunk all season, the penalties hve been a problem as of late. The injuries have hurt us, plus the lack of execution earlier in the season also. Thing is not much has changed in terms of team attitude from the Norv era. Norv was too laid back, Spurrier was like "Awwwwww Shucks we lost" also. Now we just hear "They fought their guts out". No killer instinct at all and not much imagination. Those lack of attributes you can't blame on injuries!!!!!!!

[chrisl4064]

because i dont feel like talking about gibbs anymore, is anyone watching jimmie johnson in first place right now?

[twinskinsfan]

No one is going anywhere, we are 5-4 the season is still somewhat young. The problem with Gibbs this time around is that you CANNOT WIN WITH CONSERVATISM. This league is changed so much that it is an "attack" game. In the 80's and 90's you could get away with it. You can't win being conservative!

[redduke44]

thanks,your right.

Originally Posted by twinskinsfan

No one is going anywhere, we are 5-4 the season is still somewhat young. The problem with Gibbs this time around is that you CANNOT WIN WITH CONSERVATISM. This league is changed so much that it is an "attack" game. In the 80's and 90's you could get away with it. You can't win being conservative!

[twinskinsfan]

And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by twinskinsfan

And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.

Exactly...let's look at this objectively. We lost Thomas / Jansen / Rogers and Moss for most games, and Taylor here lately...all of whom are pro bowl caliber players. We've lost more than that, but those are HUGE losses that are extremely difficult to overcome.
I don't like the way is conservative most of the time, but he's gotten better and he is in no way the problem here...he's done a good job with what he's had to work with.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Exactly...let's look at this objectively. We lost Thomas / Jansen / Rogers and Moss for most games, and Taylor here lately...all of whom are pro bowl caliber players. We've lost more than that, but those are HUGE losses that are extremely difficult to overcome.
I don't like the way is conservative most of the time, but he's gotten better and he is in no way the problem here...he's done a good job with what he's had to work with.

Rogers is a pro-bowl caliber player? Really? Jansen too? Maybe 4-5 years ago.

Injuries are an excuse. The O-line manned up today and runs to the right side of the line was working just fine with Fabini and Wade playing. What about Thrash playing a gem of a game with Moss out? No injury excuses for blowing this one. We put ourselves in a positon to win and self destructed - not because of injury, but because of dumb penalties, poor execution, and bad playcalls in the 4th quarter.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Rogers is a pro-bowl caliber player? Really? Jansen too? Maybe 4-5 years ago.

Injuries are an excuse. The O-line manned up today and runs to the right side of the line was working just fine with Fabini and Wade playing. What about Thrash playing a gem of a game with Moss out? No injury excuses for blowing this one. We put ourselves in a positon to win and self destructed - not because of injury, but because of dumb penalties, poor execution, and bad playcalls in the 4th quarter.

No, but Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor are Pro Bowlers and losing Rogers for the season certainly didn't help. Injuries are not an excuse, they are one of the reasons why slightly below average and slighty above average teams win or lose games. We are a pretty good team when healthy, and an average team when riddled with injuries. Great teams can overcome significant injuries, but (as we all probably agree) we are not a great team.

To ignore injuries to Washington, Taylor, Rogers, Moss, Jansen, Thomas (3 of whom are Pro Bowlers) is a little unreasonable IMO.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

No, but Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor are Pro Bowlers and losing Rogers for the season certainly didn't help. Injuries are not an excuse, they are one of the reasons why slightly below average and slighty above average teams win or lose games. We are a pretty good team when healthy, and an average team when riddled with injuries. Great teams can overcome significant injuries, but (as we all probably agree) we are not a great team.

To ignore injuries to Washington, Taylor, Rogers, Moss, Jansen, Thomas (3 of whom are Pro Bowlers) is a little unreasonable IMO.

IMO, this game was winnable despite the aforementioned injuries.

I'm personally thrilled that we are currently 5-4, btw. However, when Gibbs 2.0 leaves after 3 pi$$ poor seasons and one playoff appearance, what will your assessment be?

Aw, he was unlucky cuz our star players kept getting injured season after season?

Gibbs came here to restore us to respectability and get us back to winning. If we don't make the playoffs this year, he will have failed and shouldn't be allowed to use injuries as an excuse.

[MTRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

No, but Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor are Pro Bowlers and losing Rogers for the season certainly didn't help. Injuries are not an excuse, they are one of the reasons why slightly below average and slighty above average teams win or lose games. We are a pretty good team when healthy, and an average team when riddled with injuries. Great teams can overcome significant injuries, but (as we all probably agree) we are not a great team.

To ignore injuries to Washington, Taylor, Rogers, Moss, Jansen, Thomas (3 of whom are Pro Bowlers) is a little unreasonable IMO.

Or maybe great teams don't keep players who get hurt alot. Of those you mention two have been constantly hurt for two full years (Washington and Moss). Jansen has struggled to stay healthy the last two years. Starters who consistently get owies and disrupt the team's effectiveness are a liability.

But I'm kind of sick of the injury excuse like a lot of other folks around here. Dallas hasn't had it's secondary healthy until today and when has their defense collapsed? The bills have faced at least as bad an injury situation, and they have less talent, but we're basically on the same level. I'd say they overachieved, Gibbs' Skins have badly underachieved.

[redduke44]

Injuries are a part of the game,stop making excuesses for joe gibbs.Im a big joe gibbs fan,dont get me wrong,but the game has passed him bye.Ive been supporting him since day one,Hell I drive a ford and pull for tony stewart,so give me a break.It is what it!

Originally Posted by twinskinsfan

And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.

[jrocx69]

it is time to move in a different direction with the coach. keep GW and its time to offer a decent OC a head coach position

[chrisl4064]

im not complaining, i was just trying to point out how using timeouts early could effect clock management towards the end of a game

[dall-assblows]

hahaha here come the "joee must go" threads.

next week "joe needs an extension" threads.

im sooooo sick of this shit

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

hahaha here come the "joee must go" threads.

next week "joe needs an extension" threads.

im sooooo sick of this shit

This is exactly why this thread is, in the words of Schneed10, retarded. How stupid would it have been if after the Lions game I posted a thread that said "Give Joe a 5 Year Extension"? Just as stupid and knee-jerk as this one is.