Redskins draft day trade for veteran WR

[SBXVII]

Lets see.....according to NFL.COM for 2007 ...CJ ranks 3rd in all WR's with 1,440 yrds. not bad for a washed up thirty y/o. I even took the pleasure to look up the Skins closest competitor and found Moss at number 34 with 808 yrds. Cooley was ranked number 37 with 786 yrds and finally rounding out the list for the Skins was Randle El at number 46 with 728 yrds. We deffinitly don't need a proven WR.

...and before the math gue rue's get involved all three of our players amounted for 2,322. and the Bengals amounted 2,583 with only 2 WR on the list. This is WR's only because as you know we don't have a need for WR's. supposedly. Also we generated 12 TD's with just those 3 players and the Bengals generated 20 TD's. CJ had the same number of TD's as Cooley at 8.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Lets see.....according to NFL.COM for 2007 ...CJ ranks 3rd in all WR's with 1,440 yrds. not bad for a washed up thirty y/o. I even took the pleasure to look up the Skins closest competitor and found Moss at number 34 with 808 yrds. Cooley was ranked number 37 with 786 yrds and finally rounding out the list for the Skins was Randle El at number 46 with 728 yrds. We deffinitly don't need a proven WR.

...and before the math gue rue's get involved all three of our players amounted for 2,322. and the Bengals amounted 2,583 with only 2 WR on the list. This is WR's only because as you know we don't have a need for WR's. supposedly. Also we generated 12 TD's with just those 3 players and the Bengals generated 20 TD's. CJ had the same number of TD's as Cooley at 8.

I certainly never said Chad Johnson was washed up. Chad Johnson likely has several (3-4) highly productive years left in the tank, but it's usually not smart to "buy" when the price is high and the value is in decline. Moreover, the question isn't whether CJ would add value to our team, the question is whether CJ adds more value to our team over the long haul than the draft picks and/or players we would likely have to trade to acquire him. In my opinion, the answer is no.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I certainly never said Chad Johnson was washed up. Chad Johnson likely has several (3-4) highly productive years left in the tank, but it's usually not smart to "buy" when the price is high and the value is in decline. Moreover, the question isn't whether CJ would add value to our team, the question is whether CJ adds more value to our team over the long haul than the draft picks and/or players we would likely have to trade to acquire him. In my opinion, the answer is no.

great approach! I couldnt agree more! Trading for CJ would be stupid on our part, although there is now possbility that it can be ruled out given our current reputation. But why would we trade for such a high dollar WR that will last 5 years at the most when we can draft a potential perennial pro bowler for 10+ years and a lower price plus the cost of development?

[marius]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

great approach! I couldnt agree more! Trading for CJ would be stupid on our part, although there is now possbility that it can be ruled out given our current reputation. But why would we trade for such a high dollar WR that will last 5 years at the most when we can draft a potential perennial pro bowler for 10+ years and a lower price plus the cost of development?

We get Johnson and we almost certainly (as much as you can be certain in these things) get 4-5 years of high quality production. We rely on the draft and yes, we might get a perennial pro bowler for 10+ years, but we are more likely to get Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner or perhaps Taylor Jacobs. Drafting WRs is a lottery (that the Redskins have been particularly unlucky in) whereas grabbing Chad Johnson is not. I'd give up Betts and a 3rd for this guy without a thought.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by marius

We get Johnson and we almost certainly (as much as you can be certain in these things) get 4-5 years of high quality production. We rely on the draft and yes, we might get a perennial pro bowler for 10+ years, but we are more likely to get Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner or perhaps Taylor Jacobs. Drafting WRs is a lottery (that the Redskins have been particularly unlucky in) whereas grabbing Chad Johnson is not. I'd give up Betts and a 3rd for this guy without a thought.

Yeah I agree, Betts and a third, but only if we take a chance and draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd. For some reason, given the circumstances with the WR corps in Cincy, they wont go for a third, and they could pawn off CJ to another team for a bigger name RB. You are right about the drafting thing but if we never take a chance we will be paying old guys forever. CJ is a quickish fix, and frankly, IMO, our need at WR isnt quite bad enough to trade away potential good picks for.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by marius

We get Johnson and we almost certainly (as much as you can be certain in these things) get 4-5 years of high quality production. We rely on the draft and yes, we might get a perennial pro bowler for 10+ years, but we are more likely to get Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner or perhaps Taylor Jacobs. Drafting WRs is a lottery (that the Redskins have been particularly unlucky in) whereas grabbing Chad Johnson is not. I'd give up Betts and a 3rd for this guy without a thought.

Your're right that wr is a tough position to draft, but let's look at those picks for a minute, all of them were influenced heavily by the coaches. Howard is the only one that was definitely made by a true GM - Casserly, though Gibbs loved Howard.

IF Vinny is really running the show, I think it's worth it to take a chance on a wr w/a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick. He's supposedly already said he doesn't feel strongly enough to take any of these wr's in the 1st round, so that reduces the risk by using lower picks.

I hope we don't trade for CJ, but even if we do it's worth it to take a wr in the draft if there's a good one there in those middle rounds.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I certainly never said Chad Johnson was washed up. Chad Johnson likely has several (3-4) highly productive years left in the tank, but it's usually not smart to "buy" when the price is high and the value is in decline. Moreover, the question isn't whether CJ would add value to our team, the question is whether CJ adds more value to our team over the long haul than the draft picks and/or players we would likely have to trade to acquire him. In my opinion, the answer is no.

Exactly.
ps- it's not just your opinion either. There are plenty of us that share your opinion.

[diehardskin2982]

I remember when the bengals were terrible he was their only bright spot and helped turn them around. Motivation has alot to do with production. I think if he was a skin, he would have a lot to be motivated about. But I don't want the skins to reach on him there are some good recievers in this draft that can be developed into stars.

[Skinny Tee]

Paul Hubbard - College Football

Any thoughts on Paul Hubbard from Wiscousin. I looked up his profile on Scouts.com & ESPN, apparently he has a good combo of size and speed.

Looks like he'd be available in the 4th round and beyond. I'm intrigued.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Paul Hubbard - College Football

Any thoughts on Paul Hubbard from Wiscousin. I looked up his profile on Scouts.com & ESPN, apparently he has a good combo of size and speed.

Looks like he'd be available in the 4th round and beyond. I'm intrigued.

Welcome to the dark side:
http://www.redskinswarpath.com/423015-post9.html

He's raw, a converted track star, but loads of potential. Another one to look at in the mid rounds would be Bruce Hocker

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Paul Hubbard - College Football

Any thoughts on Paul Hubbard from Wiscousin. I looked up his profile on Scouts.com & ESPN, apparently he has a good combo of size and speed.

Looks like he'd be available in the 4th round and beyond. I'm intrigued.

I swear that if we Draft Paul Hubbard, I will buy his jersey as soon as it is available. As of right now I do not own a Jersey. My kids do though, so back off!


Chad Johnson is no more of a headache than Clinton Portis. People forget that Portis was walking aroung on the sidelines in Denver with a Championship belt (modeled after boxing) around his waist after scoring. Chad is alot like Portis. He celebrates and makes jokes win the team is winning and is serious when the team is losing.

The irony is that no one considers Portis a headache, because he cares. So does Chad and that is why he wants out of Cincy.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Chad Johnson is no more of a headache than Clinton Portis. People forget that Portis was walking aroung on the sidelines in Denver with a Championship belt (modeled after boxing) around his waist after scoring. Chad is alot like Portis. He celebrates and makes jokes win the team is winning and is serious when the team is losing.

The irony is that no one considers Portis a headache, because he cares. So does Chad and that is why he wants out of Cincy.

Portis didn't routinely draw 15 yard penalties for engaging in excessive celebration. That Chad Johnson repeatedly did so, despite knowing it would hurt his team speaks volumes about his character. Moreover, I don't seem to recall Portis ever physically assaulting one of his coaches.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Portis didn't routinely draw 15 yard penalties for engaging in excessive celebration. That Chad Johnson repeatedly did so, despite knowing it would hurt his team speaks volumes about his character. Moreover, I don't seem to recall Portis ever physically assaulting one of his coaches.

Every player has gotten penalties to hurt the team in some form or fashion. Even the beloved Sean Taylor got a 15 yard penalty on the "no spike" rule. As far as I know the coach and teammates of Chad Johnson said that the "Assault" didn't take place.

I think you are being a bit nit picky on this one.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Every player has gotten penalties to hurt the team in some form or fashion. Even the beloved Sean Taylor got a 15 yard penalty on the "no spike" rule. As far as I know the coach and teammates of Chad Johnson said that the "Assault" didn't take place.

I think you are being a bit nit picky on this one.

Not too mention the couple (b/c there were at least two) of 15 yard penalties by Laron Landry. I know I know, he was a rookie, but still.

[SmootSmack]

But anyway back to Chad Johnson, what's the bigger concern, his "attitude" or his age?