Clinton Portis on the JT Show

[Dblock804]

Every player is still embarrassed from the hip hip thing. If you did that at my job they would fire you after they beat you with a pipe. He's never gonna get it. All I'm sayin is just listen to Zorn. I can't put my finger on it but it sounds like he has no clue.

I think he's done.

[jbcjr14]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

ProFootballTalk.com - PORTIS NOT HAPPY WITH ZORN

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Portis needs to STFU. Zorn is the coach, he calls the shots. Period.

Stuff like this is why Portis rubs me the wrong way, 2nd time this year he has thrown teamates/coaches under the bus. He always gets a pass though.

Like previously said, this would never happen under Gibbs. Above all the Skins were family under Gibbs... even during the 5-11 season you got the sense that everyone was soldout for the team first concept.

Great point by a previous poster...."Quitters and losers start blaming others when things go wrong."

AMEN, and this is soooo true in many facets of life

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dblock804

Every player is still embarrassed from the hip hip thing. If you did that at my job they would fire you after they beat you with a pipe. He's never gonna get it. All I'm sayin is just listen to Zorn. I can't put my finger on it but it sounds like he has no clue.

I think he's done.

They weren't embarrassed when they did it. And again, all these problems/issues would be solved by winning. Everyone; Zorn,CP, Campbell, etc need to look first at themselves, and then the team.

[SBXVII]

Lets see...the team does well we and the players are all hunky dory. The team starts its spiral down it's slippery slope and people on the message boards go nuts with let this guy go and find someone else for this position. Basically throwing people under the bus including Zorn at times. Even joking that our 3rd string QB can play every position.

Even the Coach got in the act calling players out. From Rookies to Vetrans.

Now finally a player speaks his mind as has everyon else and we should slap his hand and tsk, tsk him and say "No Portis you should not be calling people out in public."

I think we all can agree with Portis. Heck most of you said the same thing. and to be honest if the Coach is the type to call people out in public then he better have thick skin to be called out himself. Otherwise don't call people out in public. Praise them as has several coach's in the past not just Gibbs and handle them in private.

I agree with Portis. Now lets see if Zorn can make amends and right the ship before it completely sinks. These next few weeks and break into next year will tell what type of coach he really is. As for Cowher I really don't see this happening. I think he is a far better coach and definitly would take the Skins somewhere but unless Zorn has a hard on for Cowher and was simply biding his time he should have let one of the previous coach's take the helm and fail so he would look good bringing in Cowher. Now he will definitly be the laughing stock if he make another HC change. We would be right up there with the Raiders. I also don't think we could possibly bring in Cowher as HC and demote Zorn to OC. I think the ego's would be a thing to deal with and Zorn would not take the embarrassment.

Zorn better figure it out though. I'm betting he wants to impliment more offense and the players are not getting it or atleast some are not getting it. So he has to keep it simple and basic and other teams have figured it out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

I agree with Portis based on one play from the Ravens game. Let us not forget our wide receiver screen play. We ran one wide receiver screen to Santana and he almost broke it, took it 25 yards on a third and long. Now this play showed me something. We have had the answer to these exotic blitzes that overload one side of the line with a safety and linebacker this whole month. After Santana took that wide receiver screen Jason started having time and we drove on them. Seems to me Zorn is trying to make this rocket science when it isn't. I believe a few wide receiver screens will hold off that “get to Jason fast as you can blitz mentality”. Overload your safety and send him to Jason if you dare. Your safety in the backfield and Moss will be in the end zone. I think that's the solution to all this mess. What you fellas think? Joe Gibbs gave Zorn the eggs. Jimmy, just make the freaking Omelets.

Remember, the Redskins were third and one, got a false start, 3rd and 6, another false start, 3rd and 11, then ran a successful draw with Sellers that was called back by holding, and then ran that wide receiver screen for the first down.

I think it's very telling that Zorn had to call 4 straight plays to get the first down, and while getting the first down was getting progressively more unlikely, Zorn still managed to get it.

[joethiesmanfan]

GTripp0012I think it's very telling that Zorn had to call 4 straight plays to get the first down, and while getting the first down was getting progressively more unlikely, Zorn still managed to get it.

I agree with you Zorn got the first down with the draw, but the point I was trying to make is :
1. We have been running the draw during this 1-4 slide. (defenses are watching that)
2. Those overloading blitzes are not new to the NFL.
3. Wide receiver screen is a potent play we execute well, let us not forget the excitement it brings to the offense. No one does that play like Moss.
4.Wide receiver screens to Moss make overloading blitzes a gamble. Call it at the wrong time you giving up a TD.
5. After running a couple fo those at tehe beginning of the game as a reminder like Gibbs used to do, then Zorn can play with his WCO toys.

[Hog1]

JZ is all about the team and not about the man. CP is a baller, no doubt. He is also somewhat of a Prima Dona. He will get with the program (and all will be well), and though most if any guys won't say it, they will appreciate his supermodel status being dropped a notch. No "I" in team. CP will figure it out.
AND if he does not, there is an offseason to deal with the mediocrity this team has become. Possibly many faces will not be here next year, and I personally am not opposed to it.
See SS thread:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-redskins.html

Zorn has the choice when dealing with player issues. Be like Tom Coughlin, or Wade Phillips. Which do you choose???

[joethiesmanfan]

P.S. What happened to Jason faking the wide receiver screens and faking the reverses to Randel El during every play. That makes linebackers think. Which is always good for the offense.

[irish]

Portis seems like the kind of player thats great when the team is winning and everything is going well but now that he and the team are having a hard time he starts pointing fingers and finding someone to blame. Under Gibbs CP could do what he wanted and he knew Gibbs would cover for him or take the blame, for better or worse Zorn doesnt work that way and CP doesnt like it. I think CP showed the real CP yesterday and unfortunately he's a no-class baby who is not smart enough to realize that Zorn was protecting him in a game the Skins couldnt win.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

ProFootballTalk.com - PORTIS NOT HAPPY WITH ZORN

Here is a related article on profootballtalk.com

Portis needs to STFU. Zorn is the coach, he calls the shots. Period.

Stuff like this is why Portis rubs me the wrong way, 2nd time this year he has thrown teamates/coaches under the bus. He always gets a pass though.

Like previously said, this would never happen under Gibbs. Above all the Skins were family under Gibbs... even during the 5-11 season you got the sense that everyone was soldout for the team first concept.

Great point by a previous poster...."Quitters and losers start blaming others when things go wrong."

I understand where your coming from but I have to say Zorn started calling people out first. Zorn was the one calling out the Rookies on public TV saying they were out of shape, and didn't understand the plays. Then he started with the Vets and Monday blaming Portis for not knowing the blocking scheme for which he was in the meeting on then saying there was no blocking shceme. Hell, Sellers looked bad out there Sun. I kept screaming at the TV when Sellers would let the first CB run right by him then take on the LB. Why wouldn't he take on the first guy and hope to block him into the second?

I think Zorn has bitten off more then he can chew. HC, OC, play caller, playbook writer, draft picker, ....on and on. I know he has help but for whatever reason Zorn is looking like he tripped and can't get up. The offensive shceme is not working cause the other teams have figured it out. He can't incorporate more cause the players are having a hard time with all the different plays and players forgetting assignments. Then top it off with all the injuries. Our train has ground to a halt. Zorn needs to man up and fix it and that does not include embarrasing individuals in order to get the job done. At certain times it might be needed but not from the start in preseason and every game there after. Lloyd deserved being called out after numerous games. Arrington deserved being called out after screwing up his assignment several times during several games. Zorn took the wrong approach and the team has jumped from his ship. If he wants to get them back he needs to man up and stop blaming others. Maybe have private meetings or a team meeting about what needs to be done but you can't speak your mind on TV and Radio about others and then not expect for the same to happen to you. It's not fair and not right and the players probably feel this way. Some of you would say ...but Zorns the boss so they have to eat it. No they don't. People expect to be treated with respect and to get respect you have to give it first.

[joethiesmanfan]

I think the problems with this team is based on winnning and losing. When you let teams overload one side of the line with a linebacker and safety and get away with it, I say you are not a good strategist. When teams overload one side they leave themselves open. Of course the QB will not have time to go through progressions. Wide receiver screen I say or Tight end screen to Cooley I say. Those plays are extremely potent. When defenses don't have a safety to cut Moss off on his way to the end zone. They will call a more balanced defensive set next time.

[joethiesmanfan]

irish
Portis seems like the kind of player thats great when the team is winning and everything is going well but now that he and the team are having a hard time he starts pointing fingers and finding someone to blame. Under Gibbs CP could do what he wanted and he knew Gibbs would cover for him or take the blame, for better or worse Zorn doesnt work that way and CP doesnt like it. I think CP showed the real CP yesterday and unfortunately he's a no-class baby who is not smart enough to realize that Zorn was protecting him in a game the Skins couldnt win.


If Zorn ever put Portis on the bench because he gave up on a game in which the team was behind by 14 points then I say fire Zorn right now. A game they could not win? I could not disagree with you more, rirsh. They should have won that game.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Our train has ground to a halt. Zorn needs to man up and fix it and that does not include embarrasing individuals in order to get the job done. At certain times it might be needed but not from the start in preseason and every game there after. Lloyd deserved being called out after numerous games. Arrington deserved being called out after screwing up his assignment several times during several games. Zorn took the wron approach and the team has jumped from his ship. If he wants to get them back he needs to man up and stop blaming others. Maybe have private meetings or a team meeting about what needs to be done but you can't speak your mind on TV and Radio about others and then not expect for the same to happen to you. It's not fair and not right and the players probably feel this way. Some of you would say ...but Zorns the boss so they have to eat it. No they don't. People expect to be treated with respect and to get respect you have to give it first.

In respect to Portis, Jim Zorn has repeatedly praised him and given him lattitude with respect to practice. Perhaps JZ was trying to set a boundary for the team because it seemed like more and more people were missing practice time. Big shots don't like boundaries, kids don't like boundaries, I doubt many people like boundaries. BUT once made clear most everyone respects them.
I believe most coaches that won't set boundaries on their stars do not last as a head coach. (although they may get a lot of chances -ie Norv)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

I think the problems with this team is based on winnning and losing. When you let teams overload one side of the line with a linebacker and safety and get away with it, I say you are not a good strategist. When teams overload one side they leave themselves open. Of course the QB will not have time to go through progressions. Wide receiver screen I say or Tight end screen to Cooley I say. Those plays are extremely potent. When defenses don't have a safety to cut Moss off on his way to the end zone. They will call a more balanced defensive set next time.

I think you have something. but is it Zorn's fault? Cambells fault? is JC allowed to change plays at the line? your right about the screens. but I also remember a time with Gibbs people were screaming why all the screens? I think a lot of us have mentioned that JC needs a hot read...ie; TE or WR slants and not always to Moss which teams are looking for now. Maybe pump fake one to Moss and look to the other side of the field and pass a slant to ARE or Thomas or Kelly or even Cooley. Make a go route into a 5 or 10 yrd curl. Something definitly needs to be done about the scheme.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Zorn took the wron approach and the team has jumped from his ship. If he wants to get them back he needs to man up and stop blaming others. Maybe have private meetings or a team meeting about what needs to be done but you can't speak your mind on TV and Radio about others and then not expect for the same to happen to you.

The team has definitely jumped from his ship? I wish I had the same locker room source as some of you guys.

He does not expect the same to happen to him? Has he made any complaint about Portis venting his frustrations? Made any comment about Portis needing to keep his mouth shut? This whole thing is an overblown mess simply consisting of a bunch of competitors that are individually trying to do their part and not succeeding.