I Was impressed!!!

[DBUCHANON101]

Packers do look awesome.. Rodgers is playing out of his mind and Capers has that defense making big plays. will it carry over into the season? time will tell

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Maybe the long layoff from football has dulled my memory a bit, but JC just seemed to be FIRING balls in there tonight. His arm looks very strong this year.

The offensive approach seemed to differ somewhat from what we've seen in the past. There seemed to be more of a concentrated effort on getting the ball down the field, more 5-7 step drops which coinside with Campbell's arm strength. He certainly seems to be more comfortable with the deeper drops.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The offensive approach seemed to differ somewhat from what we've seen in the past. There seemed to be more of a concentrated effort on getting the ball down the field, more 5-7 step drops which coinside with Campbell's arm strength. He certainly seems to be more comfortable with the deeper drops.

Nice to see it on 1st and 2nd down when the D wasn't necessarily expecting it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

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Yeah man damn those Kurt Warner,Tom Brady,Brett Favre and Peyton Manning types. Them and their stupid Super Bowl rings.
Not many Game managers win titles. Dilfer and Johnson are the exception but defenses like they had dont come along every season.

Maybe I have a different definition of Gunslinger, but Manning is the penultimate game manager to me, he directs everything, can throw the long ball, but ultimately doesn't make dumb mistakes. Not sure I would qualify Tom Brady as a "gunslinger" either.

For me a gunslinger is personified in Favre, Romo has some of it too. A qb who thinks he can get the ball inbetween those 2-4 bad guys, and has the arm to back it up, most of the time. The problem is for every Favre, or even Romo who can back it up a dozen wannabees fail out because their INT/TD ratio is a killer.

I definitely don't want a gunslinger, but I would take Manning or Brady.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The offensive approach seemed to differ somewhat from what we've seen in the past. There seemed to be more of a concentrated effort on getting the ball down the field, more 5-7 step drops which coinside with Campbell's arm strength. He certainly seems to be more comfortable with the deeper drops.

That is all because the o-line could protect. You just can't do 5-7 step drops with longer routes if you can't block.

It's funny how we football fans are: a few weeks back ALL we could talk about was the o-line troubles. Now, they play well and we all don't mention it (me included) and rave about JC and Zorn. Those plays can't occur without decent pass pro. Lord protect the health of the o-line!!!


(PS Yeah, the Pack looks good--my father-in-law keeps sending me texts gloating about it. Circle the Minn-GB games on your non-skins schedule!)

[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Maybe I have a different definition of Gunslinger, but Manning is the penultimate game manager to me, he directs everything, can throw the long ball, but ultimately doesn't make dumb mistakes. Not sure I would qualify Tom Brady as a "gunslinger" either.

For me a gunslinger is personified in Favre, Romo has some of it too. A qb who thinks he can get the ball inbetween those 2-4 bad guys, and has the arm to back it up, most of the time. The problem is for every Favre, or even Romo who can back it up a dozen wannabees fail out because their INT/TD ratio is a killer.

I definitely don't want a gunslinger, but I would take Manning or Brady.

So who do you think is the ultimate game manager?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Maybe I have a different definition of Gunslinger, but Manning is the penultimate game manager to me, he directs everything, can throw the long ball, but ultimately doesn't make dumb mistakes. Not sure I would qualify Tom Brady as a "gunslinger" either.

For me a gunslinger is personified in Favre, Romo has some of it too. A qb who thinks he can get the ball inbetween those 2-4 bad guys, and has the arm to back it up, most of the time. The problem is for every Favre, or even Romo who can back it up a dozen wannabees fail out because their INT/TD ratio is a killer.

I definitely don't want a gunslinger, but I would take Manning or Brady.

Well put.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

So who do you think is the ultimate game manager?

Not sure really, i just like the word penultimate, sounds cool :cool-smil

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Does anyone know how much we were in the shotgun compared to any other formation?
Jason seemed to very comfortable in the shotgun set. Really liked what I saw when JC had time to make plays.

[CultBrennan59]

well heres what ESPN.com says about us last night:

Redskins-Pats: What did we learn?

August 29, 2009 12:01 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

It's much easier for me to defend Jason Campbell when he plays like he did last night. The Redskins lost to the Patriots in the final seconds of a preseason game, but they appeared to gain much-needed confidence in the process. Campbell was 13-of-22 for 209 yards and a rushing touchdown, but the most important thing was that he looked poised the entire time. We saw what he can do when the offensive line gives him a little time.


AP Photo/Nick Wass
Marko Mitchell caught a touchdown pass in front of cornerback Jamar Love during the second half of Friday night's game.

After he called it a night, Campbell told Jim Nantz and Phil Simms that the offense couldn't "dink and dunk" its way down the field and be successful. And that's why you see coach Jim Zorn calling for so many downfield passes. I thought Post columnist Mike Wise summed it up pretty well after last night's game. OK, let's take a closer look at what took place:

Tom Brady and Randy Moss pretty much toyed with DeAngelo Hall. It wasn't an awful performance by the defense at all, but Hall was clearly in over his head against Moss. I realize he's going to make a lot of cornerbacks look bad, but you would hope Hall wouldn't get completely overwhelmed. When receivers such as Terrell Owens, Moss and Larry Fitzgerald showed up, it was always nice to have Shawn Springs on the field. Unfortunately, he now plays for the Pats. The best news for the Skins? They don't have to see Moss again -- unless it's in the Super Bowl. The good news for the defense is the three turnovers. In the second half, linebacker Rocky McIntosh made a superb play to tip the ball away from the tight end and allow LaRon Landry to go the other way. Also a really nice play on the ball by rookie corner Kevin Barnes. He's got some really good skills. This draft class is looking better all the time.

The Skins had 15 penalties for 113 yards? REALLY? Amid some of the positive aspects from this game, the penalties have to be driving Jim Zorn nuts. And you can't really pick on one unit. The defensive tackles may want to work on lining up in the right spots and you should start eliminating the false starts along the offensive line at this stage in the preseason. The 15-yard penalties will get you beat, and that's what happened when Hall grabbed Moss' facemask. The Skins' defense had a chance to get off the field at that point, but the penalty gave the Patriots another shot. You can't do that with one of the most potent offenses in the league.

There's no way in the world you can keep Marko Mitchell off the roster -- and why would you even try? He's big and he makes important catches. He froze a defender on a little hitch and go in the second half, and Colt Brennan found him for a 33-yard touchdown. Patriots cornerback Jamar Love never had a chance. The guy keeps getting in the end zone, and he's become perhaps the most pleasant surprise of the preseason for the Redskins. He offers what quarterbacks like to call a wide strike zone and he appears to be learning how to beat jams near the line of scrimmage. He could be a real threat near the goal line because of his body control and hands.

Colt Brennan didn't perform well enough to overtake Chase Daniel -- at least in my opinion: The same things that made Brennan one of the most prolific passers in the history of college football can also get him in big trouble. He's supremely confident and he thinks he can fit a ball into any space. But he has to be smarter when he's around the goal line. For the second time in as many games, Brennan made a horrible decision near the goal line. He forced a pass that was picked off by Jonathan Wilhite and returned 99 yards for a touchdown. Brennan tried the old "I was just trying to make a play" excuse after the game, but that doesn't hold water. He basically surrendered 10 points with that ill-advised throw -- seven to the Patriots and three that he took away from the Skins. I liked that he came right back with the touchdown to Mitchell, but it wasn't enough to overshadow the interception in my mind. I do like the way Brennan handles screens. He's athletic enough to spin away from trouble and dump the ball to Marcus Mason on the run. Not as easy as it looks.

Hated to see Mason get the bruised ribs in the fourth quarter. It's hard to recover from those when you're taking a lot of punishment at running back. I think Mason's put himself in position to challenge Ladell Betts for the backup role. He's more explosive than Betts in my mind, and he's a better change-of-pace back. Mason puts more pressure on defenses -- both on the ground and through the air -- than Betts.

Hello, Anthony Alridge!: I've been waiting to see this guy all preseason. The former University of Houston star -- as proud U of H alum Nantz noted several times -- has elite speed. He's only about 5-foot-9, but as you saw Friday night, no one can seem to get a clean shot on him. I know he was going against the Patriots' backups, but Alridge still popped off the screen. I hope the guy gets a shot. Last year, the Redskins didn't have enough depth at running back. But with Mason, Dominique Dorsey, Betts and Alridge, they look a lot better this season.

Does Chad Rinehart frustrate you guys as much as he does me? I thought he had his moments, but the guard just sort of looks lost at times. On a play in the second half, he let a Patriots defensive tackle race right past him. The player ended up being flagged for hitting Brennan too low. But that never happens if Rinehart does his job. It's like he never he even made an attempt at the guy. I'd hoped Rinehart would be a lot farther down the road at this point. Too many mental mistakes from what I'm seeing. Zorn will want to cut Rinehart after watching that play. Not saying he will, but the thought will cross his mind.

I'm not sure why Zorn doesn't run the ball inside the 10-yard line. In the second half, I kept wondering why Zorn wouldn't let Mason or Alridge have a chance to run the ball near the goal line. He seemed intent on letting Brennan find someone in the end zone. That would've been a good test for the offensive line to try to plow it in there.

Did the Skins not think the Patriots would blitz? In the second half, a linebacker for the Patriots (Guyton?) came clean from the right side. It's like the Redskins were shocked that Bill Belichick might send an extra rusher.

H.B. Blades is a bad man: How great was that stick he put on Fred Taylor? You don't want to get caught running high when Blades is anywhere around. He absolutely destroyed Taylor, causing him to spin in the air like a merry-go-round.

With 4:30 left in a meaningless games, I find myself shouting at Brennan: When your team's in field goal position, how in the world do you take a sack? This might have been the point when I actually knew Daniel would make the team ahead of Brennan. Just a bone-headed play right there. Once you've escaped the pocket and don't see anything, fling it out of bounds. That play set up Shaun Suisham's miss from 52 yards. Everyone can try to pile on my man Suisham, but that was all Brennan's fault.

What's the deal with the coverage? You're in a close game in the fourth quarter and you let Patrick Chung just shred the punt coverage unit? The punt certainly wasn't high enough (46 yards in length), but someone has to at least force Chung to make a move. He darts toward the sideline and coverage completely fell apart. Bad, bad play right there on special teams.

I'll be keeping my eye on the Cowboys and Giants this evening. Thanks for your continued interest.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

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Yeah man damn those Kurt Warner,Tom Brady,Brett Favre and Peyton Manning types. Them and their stupid Super Bowl rings.
Not many Game managers win titles. Dilfer and Johnson are the exception but defenses like they had dont come along every season.

When I said "gunslinger" in reference to Colt, I mentioned Favre/Romo. Favre being the career interception leader, and notoriously risky with ball, he is the "gunslinger" I think of first and foremost. And for all the success he had statistically, he only has 1 ring, for now. Romo maybe not as much, but I still see a bit of "gunslinger" in him as well. Kurt Warner I might put in that group, even though Im aware he did have a nice run last year(Fitz and Anquan didnt help at all ). And even though he had an incredible game(31/43 377yds 3tds), he did have the one interception that Harrison returned for the TD. BTW, Steelers 27 Cardinals 23 so that one play had a huge outcome on the game, especially since it was returned from the Steeler 1yd line. He had a great run, but eventually taking risks will get you burned. Its the reason Im happy with Romo being the Cowgirls QB, I dont believe he can put 3-4 consistent games together back to back, especially against the elite teams in the playoffs.

And Id never put Manning/Brady in that group, because I have common sense. Brady two seasons ago 50tds/8ints, I dont think thats being risky. Early Manning was a bit risky(young & dumb), but these two have consistently had twice as many TD's than INT's.

I do love the throwing downfield to take defenders out of the box, this can only help. And maybe Im just an "old timer" like Gibbs...but if you run the ball well, play good defense and take care of the ball, you win games. Turnovers almost always make the little differences in games, and "gunslinger" isnt what I want.

[GusFrerotte]

Shit if JC can just play at the level he did last night and the young Wr corp keeps developing nicely we can take the NFC East for sure, as long as the secondary also continues to improve.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by roth74va

When I said "gunslinger" in reference to Colt, I mentioned Favre/Romo. Favre being the career interception leader, and notoriously risky with ball, he is the "gunslinger" I think of first and foremost. And for all the success he had statistically, he only has 1 ring, for now. Romo maybe not as much, but I still see a bit of "gunslinger" in him as well. Kurt Warner I might put in that group, even though Im aware he did have a nice run last year(Fitz and Anquan didnt help at all ). And even though he had an incredible game(31/43 377yds 3tds), he did have the one interception that Harrison returned for the TD. BTW, Steelers 27 Cardinals 23 so that one play had a huge outcome on the game, especially since it was returned from the Steeler 1yd line. He had a great run, but eventually taking risks will get you burned. Its the reason Im happy with Romo being the Cowgirls QB, I dont believe he can put 3-4 consistent games together back to back, especially against the elite teams in the playoffs.

And Id never put Manning/Brady in that group, because I have common sense. Brady two seasons ago 50tds/8ints, I dont think thats being risky. Early Manning was a bit risky(young & dumb), but these two have consistently had twice as many TD's than INT's.

I do love the throwing downfield to take defenders out of the box, this can only help. And maybe Im just an "old timer" like Gibbs...but if you run the ball well, play good defense and take care of the ball, you win games. Turnovers almost always make the little differences in games, and "gunslinger" isnt what I want.

One could argue that it was a "gunslinger's" turnover which cost us the game last night.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

That is all because the o-line could protect. You just can't do 5-7 step drops with longer routes if you can't block.

It's funny how we football fans are: a few weeks back ALL we could talk about was the o-line troubles. Now, they play well and we all don't mention it (me included) and rave about JC and Zorn. Those plays can't occur without decent pass pro. Lord protect the health of the o-line!!!


(PS Yeah, the Pack looks good--my father-in-law keeps sending me texts gloating about it. Circle the Minn-GB games on your non-skins schedule!)

And because the blocking has improved, the approach can be different. Without adaquate blocking it won't matter if it's 3-5-or 7 steps the results will be mixed. The approach to the passing game was what I was impressed with. There weren't any three yard completions on 3rd & 8.

[saden1]

A Gun Slinger? Colt? Puh-lease. He can't throw the ball further 40 yards.