ESPN Say's Newton To Enter Draft

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

JC was a "winner" in college too, I'm just sayin'

Apparently there's some concern of Newton's "helicopter Dad"

Cecil Newton setting up media workout for Cam | ProFootballTalk

He needs to do his kid a huge favor and stay the eff away from anything Cam does. That's what he has an agent for now. A DC based firm... No connection. Damn I hope not anyway... lol

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

JC was a "winner" in college too, I'm just sayin'

Apparently there's some concern of Newton's "helicopter Dad"

Cecil Newton setting up media workout for Cam | ProFootballTalk

Absolutely correct.

JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, etc. etc., were all "winners" in college.

The "he's a winner" rationale is not a good one.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Absolutely correct.

JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, etc. etc., were all "winners" in college.

The "he's a winner" rationale is not a good one.

Math lesson for today kids.

2 + 2 = 4

College + Winner ≠ NFL Winner

[MTK]

The Newton Dad thing sounds like a Vince Howard from Friday Night Lights situation

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by BuckSkin

Newton may be an extremely gifted athlete, but I think it's a simple decision. Reach for Cam Newton at #10 or wait until next year and draft T Pryor of Ohio State in the 4th round. They are almost indentical in size -both gifted runners that can escape defenders and torch you for big gains. Pryor is a more polished passer and has started 3 bowl games with his Sr. Season only to get better. Pryor faces a 5 game suspension for selling memorabilia so his draft stock may be on the low end.

After watching Cam Newton in the bowl game with Oregon, I thought he might be okay to take with the 10th overall as long as there some assumption that he would sit at least a couple of years to develop his passing game, but after seeing some plays from Pryor and comparing- I changed my mind. If he can show a lot more accuracy throwing it deep, then maybe.

And as for Pryor, if he was coming out this year, I really doubt he would go in the fourth round. To me, he looks like a definite 1st rounder.

[BuckSkin]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

After watching Cam Newton in the bowl game with Oregon, I thought he might be okay to take with the 10th overall as long as there some assumption that he would sit at least a couple of years to develop his passing game, but after seeing some plays from Pryor and comparing- I changed my mind. If he can show a lot more accuracy throwing it deep, then maybe.

And as for Pryor, if he was coming out this year, I really doubt he would go in the fourth round. To me, he looks like a definite 1st rounder.

Being a Buckeye fan I think he is every bit and more the QB Newton is. He actually goes through his reads.( but like McNabb: deep to dump off) Unfortunately with a shortened season (5-6 games) he may fall back a couple rounds, I admit, never to the 4th. Some may question his character for selling his Big10 Championship ring and maze pants. He has proven to me his loyalty when he promised Tressel he would return in spite of his scandal.

[Terpfan76]

You know, I don't like any of these qbs and I really don't understand what all the fuss is about with this Dalton kid, but at this point, draft a qb that's within 2 years or so of being ready and give us someone to cry for when Rexy starts handing out souvenirs and pick sixes.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

You know, I don't like any of these qbs and I really don't understand what all the fuss is about with this Dalton kid, but at this point, draft a qb that's within 2 years or so of being ready and give us someone to cry for when Rexy starts handing out souvenirs and pick sixes.

Dalton has all the tools to win in the NFL, he's not just a good athlete Like locker and newton.. Dalton won a lot of games at tcu and put up good numbers, he's smart has pretty good mobility and a good arm not to mention how accurate he is. I think he's the steal of this draft

[musicmaster45]

Thanks hog1. Its nice to chat with real fans. Out in Colorado we have people diluted that think the broncos are the best team ever. No way. And yeah skinsfaninok Dalton is a steal yes he might need a year on the bench but he has more potential to win in the nfl without the high price tag or the off the field issues that have plauged so many in nfl lately. Big Al for example.

[Alvin Walton]

Some Cam Newton hype for ya.

Trent Dilfer of Cam Newton workout: “Phenomenal” | ProFootballTalk

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Some Cam Newton hype for ya.

Trent Dilfer of Cam Newton workout: “Phenomenal” | ProFootballTalk

Hmmm. There's alot of time b/n now and then but if CN's stock goes up, that's only good for us regardless if we pick him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Some Cam Newton hype for ya.

Trent Dilfer of Cam Newton workout: “Phenomenal” | ProFootballTalk

I really don't care about Pro Days. JaMarcus Russell had a great pro day. The kid didn't play in a pro offense and from what I saw, really isn't a pocket guy. I really hope we don't draft this kid at #10. Him or Locker does nothing for me.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I really don't care about Pro Days. JaMarcus Russell had a great pro day. The kid didn't play in a pro offense and from what I saw, really isn't a pocket guy. I really hope we don't draft this kid at #10. Him or Locker does nothing for me.

I still say he's a faster version of Big Ben. If he can pass while utilizing his mobility he'll be unstoppable especially in todays NFL where pass rushers and blitz packages are frequently becoming more and more difficult to stop with blocking alone.

The main key though above all else is his ability to accept tough by the book coaching, the type he'll most certainly get from the Shanahans. Apparently lack of commitment to fundamentals and learning the system is what got McNabb in trouble so if Newton is going to make that same mistake we'll just be wasting our time. However I have heard on multiple occasions that he does study hard and takes very well to coaching.

Definitely agree though about assessment of the pro day/workout. It only means so much especially when compared to game film, doctor evaluations, and in depth interviews.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Both Bledsoe and Vinny were coming to the end of their careers. Romo has a lot of years left. McGee isn't going to start over Tony Romo. Ever.

The odds of replacing a rag to riches UDFA like Romo with a late round "developmental prospect" like McGee is astounding. It's already risky enough to take developmental QB's in the first round. I'd say you'd have better luck betting all your money on 31 black in a game of roulette. Just say no to late round "developmental prospects." 99 times out of 100 they're a waste of time.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I still say he's a faster version of Big Ben. If he can pass while utilizing his mobility he'll be unstoppable especially in todays NFL where pass rushers and blitz packages are frequently becoming more and more difficult to stop.

The main key though above all else is his ability to accept tough by the book coaching, the type he'll most certainly get from the Shanahans. Apparently lack of commitment to fundamentals and learning the system is what got McNabb in trouble so if Newton is going to make that same mistake we'll just be wasting our time. However I have heard on multiple occasions that he does study hard and takes very well to coaching.

Definitely agree though about assessment of the pro day/workout. It only means so much especially when compared to game film, doctor evaluations, and in depth interviews.



The odds of replacing a rag to riches UDFA like Romo with a late round "developmental prospect" like McGee is astounding. It's already risky enough to take developmental QB's in the first round. I'd say you'd have better luck betting all your money on 31 black in a game of roulette. Just say no to late round "developmental prospects." 99 times out of 100 they're a waste of time.

They said the same thing about Vince Young. Bottom line is to be an effective, productive NFL starter you make it or you don't by pocket passing. Ben makes enough plays in the pocket to be an effective starter. From what I saw from Newton, he runs a gimmick high school/college offense where he's in shotgun 99.9% of the time.

This whole QB thing really makes 0 sense to me. I hate to bring this up but my god, we could've just kept JC, kept the freakin draft picks and built the team up around the guy. Now we messed up on McNabb, and now we're going back in the draft to get a project who had one good year in a gimmick offense. Like I said, just throw the 11 season and hopefully get more of a sure thing with Andrew Luck.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They said the same thing about Vince Young. Bottom line is to be an effective, productive NFL starter you make it or you don't by pocket passing. Ben makes enough plays in the pocket to be an effective starter. From what I saw from Newton, he runs a gimmick high school/college offense where he's in shotgun 99.9% of the time.

This whole QB thing really makes 0 sense to me. I hate to bring this up but my god, we could've just kept JC, kept the freakin draft picks and built the team up around the guy. Now we messed up on McNabb, and now we're going back in the draft to get a project who had one good year in a gimmick offense. Like I said, just throw the 11 season and hopefully get more of a sure thing with Andrew Luck.

The thing is that Ben also came from a program that ran a gimicky offense. And not only that but he came from a conference that wasn't exactly known for great defense (in spite of its ability to produce quality NFL QB's).

Miami OH 2003 Football Preview

Offensive Coordiantor (and former NC State QB) Shane Montgomery's spread offense is the perfect vehicle for Roethlisberger's versatility. Designed rollouts, screens, and shovel passes keep defenses on their toes and open up the verticle passing game, where Roethlisberger's cannon arm becomes supremely dangerous.

I never really understood the comparisons to Vince Young to be honest. While both are scrambling QB's Young has a much more slight build when compared to Newton. On top of that Newtons arm strength has been deemed elite. Young was said to have a strong arm coming out of college but it was more of a "he should be able to make all the throws at the next level." Newtons arm is more along the lines of "he'll easily be able to make all the throws at the next level." And probably the most important difference is that Newton has a much better reputation when it comes to preparation.

Not to mention the fact that Newton was able to perform with a level of off field distractions that have frequently been able to knock Young off balance. Sure Young was clutch against USC in the national championship but he wasn't dealing with impending suspensions and people taking every chance they could to let him know he was a cheater and a thief.

At the very least Newton is Tebow with a better delivery while lacking the extreme intangibles that very few football players can come close to. However in having watched enough Steeler and Auburn games, as well as Texas games back in 2005, I sincerely believe that Big Ben with better mobility is a much better parallel to Newton than Young is.

Personally my biggest concern with Newton is if transitioning from the spread to the pro style offense will lead to complaints from his agent about how the offense needs to "allow him to improvise." I mean it's not like the Shanahan offense needs a precise "by the book" QB to run it like a Peyton Manning. For goodness sake Shanahan has gotten this offense to work with gunslingers like Elway, Plummer, and Cutler. Which actually makes me wonder more about how McNabb wasn't able to even post an 80+ rating in this offense. But I digress so long as Newton is able to accept coaching it should be a good fit. Otherwise it'll be McNabb 2.0.