Landry to miss opener vs Giants

[Swarley]

The difference is Roy Williams was never as athletic or dominant as Laron can/has been.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

The difference is Roy Williams was never as athletic or dominant as Laron can/has been.

5 time pro-bowler and actually 1 all-pro selection. You can't say one is bad and not the other.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

5 time pro-bowler and actually 1 all-pro selection. You can't say one is bad and not the other.

I can actually because of two reasons:

1. Roy Williams was never good enough to have 5 pro bowl selections and he benefited greatly by being associated with the Cowboys.

2. He barely played in schemes that suited his abilities.

On the other hand Laron is finally being played in a scheme both he and the coach like.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

I can actually because of two reasons:

1. Roy Williams was never good enough to have 5 pro bowl selections and he benefited greatly by being associated with the Cowboys.

2. He barely played in schemes that suited his abilities.

On the other hand Laron is finally being played in a scheme both he and the coach like.

What? That doesn't even make sense.

1) RW was never good enough, but yet he got voted 5 times to the Pro-Bowl and one All-Pro team. Oh, yeah, that "Redskins Hatter Media" again right?

2) Didn't play in schemes that suited his abilities? What? So is that why he got voted to those all-star honors?


No, that's the problem. The defense DID catered to his skill set (roamer/tackler/play maker) to a point where he was All-Pro, but it eventually suffered due to the drop in coverage. At that point, they had to replace him because teams were attacking that weak spot. Sure fans thought he was good, but his team(and others) knew he really wasn't when it came to being a "complete" safety. It's the exact reason why Meriweather was kicked to the curb in New England after making 2 straight Pro-Bowls. Remember now, you guys like using the Pro-Bowl as your stats to prove a individuals worth.

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

I don't think his high number of tackles had anything to do with his coverage skills, except for the fact that the coaches prefer to play him closer to the line of scrimmage.

They put him there because coverage IS is weakness. He excels at swarming the ball and is in part the reason he fails in coverage. He's aggressive and continually goes after the big play instead of playing sound defense.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

What? That doesn't even make sense.

1) RW was never good enough, but yet he got voted 5 times to the Pro-Bowl and one All-Pro team. Oh, yeah, that "Redskins Hatter Media" again right?

2) Didn't play in schemes that suited his abilities? What? So is that why he got voted to those all-star honors?

They put him there because coverage IS is weakness. He excels at swarming the ball and is in part the reason he fails in coverage. He's aggressive and continually goes after the big play instead of playing sound defense.

1. Nothing to do with 'Redskins Hatter Media', more so about Cowboys players in general getting more praise than they're worth.

2. Yes when he was played close to the line of scrimmage he was a good player but he didn't possess game changing abilities like Laron. The second he had to play FS he was even more atrocious than Laron at FS.

and maybe, just maybe Landry being as good as he is at swarming to the ball and laying the wood has something to do with playing him close to the line of scrimmage. As opposed to his coverage being so atrocious that they need to hide it.

[wilsowilso]

I'm pretty surprised people are defending LL's coverage skills.

They are so very bad.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

do you know how many people desean jackson has burnt? a shit load. i don't like him at all but the kid can play. I agree with Greek skin 100%. How are you going to hold it against LaRon that he had the most tackles. would you like him to just wait until someone else comes and does it. We are using Landry exactly to his abilites and its paying off, hes an animal when used like this. Roy Williams was a hitter ill give him that but LaRon covers much better then him and is pretty much more athletic then him in every way possible. (speed, agility, acceleration, quickness, etc.)

(NC SKINS is a hater to sum this long ass paragraph up)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

Roy Williams was a hitter ill give him that but LaRon covers much better then him and is pretty much more athletic then him in every way possible. (speed, agility, acceleration, quickness, etc.)

Got the numbers or proof of that? Of course you don't, but it's the internet right.

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

(NC SKINS is a hater to sum this long ass paragraph up)

Thanks for showing up and contributing nothing. Collect your door prize on the way out.

[polywog]

As a safety....more than making a tackle....you want to break up the pass....you want an Int. You don't wan't to have to chase down wide receivers and tackle them to prevent a TD.

When you tackle a guy down field, it is not nearly as good as if you got him in close. On bad teams, safety's will have a lot of tackles - even bad safety's.... especially if you let them catch the ball.

Originally Posted by Lotus

That's pretty much the same thing as cherry picking. He has at times covered receivers well yet your pic does not represent that reality.

LL has trouble in coverage. It ain't his strong suit. He makes up for it by trucking guys. Just so you know I'm not a complete LL hater, here is Laron at his best....

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by polywog

LL has trouble in coverage. It ain't his strong suit. He makes up for it by trucking guys. Just so you know I'm not a complete LL hater, here is Laron at his best....

I don't disagree with the fact that LL can struggle in coverage. In fact, a close reading of my passage which you quoted indicates this.

But some people have argued in this thread in a black-and-white way that LL cannot cover and have cherry picked photos and videos to "prove" this. The truth is actually a shade of gray. Sometimes he struggles, sometimes he covers well.

He doesn't just make up for his poor coverage plays by "trucking people." He also makes up for poor coverage plays by providing good coverage plays.

[polywog]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't disagree with the fact that LL can struggle in coverage. In fact, a close reading of my passage which you quoted indicates this.

But some people have argued in this thread in a black-and-white way that LL cannot cover and have cherry picked photos and videos to "prove" this. The truth is actually a shade of gray. Sometimes he struggles, sometimes he covers well.

He doesn't just make up for his poor coverage plays by "trucking people." He also makes up for poor coverage plays by providing good coverage plays.

So he's "hit" or miss? Is that the point?

[Swarley]

just going by memory, he made a lot of his tackles in the backfield and on runners in general. It's also not his job to cover everyone so if a corner or linebacker allow a player to catch the ball he still has to tackle them.

I don't think his high number of tackles had anything to do with his coverage skills, except for the fact that the coaches prefer to play him closer to the line of scrimmage.

[polywog]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

just going by memory, he made a lot of his tackles in the backfield and on runners in general. It's also not his job to cover everyone so if a corner or linebacker allow a player to catch the ball he still has to tackle them.

I don't think his high number of tackles had anything to do with his coverage skills, except for the fact that the coaches prefer to play him closer to the line of scrimmage.

I wouldn't say that the high number of tackles is in and of itself an indicator of poor play by LL - it is more symptomatic with a poor defense in general....running backs getting to the second level....poor CB play....etc.



Please note the large "bubbles" in the Skins D that should not exist in any 3-4 D.

For LL's part, he did his job by bringing guys to the ground, but he still had trouble in 2010 with taking poor angles.

Sorry to keep harping on the Eagles game - it was like watching someone steal my bike when I was 8, but notice the poor angles LL took in pass defense....



He can fix that with a little patience and a willingness to not always go for the kill.

Oh, and that first pass to DeSean Jackson, LL had his man beat....he lost him by misjudging the ball.

There were multiple failed responsibilities on that play however, including the CB #83 who let DJ past him without any contact, whatsoever. At that point LL became more of a safety valve who's primary task was preventing a TD.

[Chico23231]

if its not D Hall, its LL now? Sweet

[Meks]

Dog him all u want. Top 10 safety .. I supposed u want doughty to start now too? Bring up allllllll the footage u want. Top 10. Who would u rather have that we CANT have...? Ryan Clark?? .. really? .. name someone .. that isn't glued in on their team... dudes field coverage sideline to sideline and beyond is great... member wen we used to okay him one man back by himself 20+ yds off the ball? Shoe me where he got beat out there by himself like that... pull that footage... just stop. .. or vote to get rude of him.... tired of hearing how he's such a liability and being compared to row Williams???? That's a joke... I don't hear about Moss burning LL everyday in practice like he ALWAYS burnt Williams... makes me sick