What is Andrew Luck Worth?

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

#1- I think it's a lot to give up but if most everything is already in place and all the team needs is a top notch QB then I'm in, however most of us here would agree "most everything" is not in place.

Actually, you assume when you draft the QB he will hit his potential around years 3-5 (see A.Rodgers, A.Smith, M.Stafford, etc). It does not make sense to draft a QB for a team ready to win-now --> that team would go with a FA QB. This is what happened with the NY Jets, who would have benefited from a veteran QB instead of Sanchez for the past few years. Even exceptions like Cam Newton & Matt Ryan will reach full potential only after a few years.


Drafting a QB may make sense for a team ready to compete within the next 3-5 years, which is exactly what we are.
I'm starting to think we're not going to be able to get the top QBs at pick 7, esp if the Colts & even Cleveland pick up QBs. We may need to pick up a veteran FA instead..

[REDSKINS4ever]

Bruce Allen has to make something happen. He has to reach a deal to bring in a young QB. A projected 1st rounder like RG3 or Luck. I'm getting sick of the Redskins bringing in other teams QBs- Brad Johnson 1999- Mark Brunell 2005 Todd Collins 2006- Donovan McNabb 2010. Neither of these QBs with the exception of Brunell was a Washington Redskin more than three years. Brunell 4 years. Collins 3 years. Johnson 2 years. McNabb 1 year. No more trading for veteran QBs or signing them through free agency.

Bruce Allen has to be taking a painstaking look at Griffin III and Andrew Luck right now- seeing how either one of them can make the Redskins better on offense. He also has to be talking to teams right now who will be slated to draft in the top 3 to find out what must be done to strike a deal.

[MTK]

I'd say a little of both.

I don't think we're that far off from being a good team.

[SmootSmack]

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

I wouldn't do that, Rak and TW are key players at huge positions to lose.. I'd just assume draft Tannehill or RG3 if thats the case

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

I would totally be fine with that. No problem whatsoever. Trent is one toke away from being irrelevant in the nfl and orakpo is pretty overrated as it is. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I would totally be fine with that. No problem whatsoever. Trent is one toke away from being irrelevant in the nfl and orakpo is pretty overrated as it is. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Trent is fine and you would give up our two best players pretty much for an unproven rookie QB? Wow

Btw who's gonna block for Luck?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Trent is fine and you would give up our two best players pretty much for an unproven rookie QB? Wow

Btw who's gonna block for Luck?

You read my whole post?

And Skinsguy, we can't offer up Davis because he's a UFA. I think Orakpo's value is potentially at its peak right now. And I don't deny the impact he has in drawing blockers allowing guys like Kerrigan to succeed. But it's apparent he's better served in a 4-3, and more importantly a 3-4 OLB who's basically occupying players for his teammates to shine is not as valuable as a potential franchise QB.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You read my whole post?

And Skinsguy, we can't offer up Davis because he's a UFA. I think Orakpo's value is potentially at its peak right now. And I don't deny the impact he has in drawing blockers allowing guys like Kerrigan to succeed. But it's apparent he's better served in a 4-3, and more importantly a 3-4 OLB who's basically occupying players for his teammates to shine is not as valuable as a potential franchise QB.

Yeah but come on TW is a big time Tackle

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You read my whole post?

And Skinsguy, we can't offer up Davis because he's a UFA. I think Orakpo's value is potentially at its peak right now. And I don't deny the impact he has in drawing blockers allowing guys like Kerrigan to succeed. But it's apparent he's better served in a 4-3, and more importantly a 3-4 OLB who's basically occupying players for his teammates to shine is not as valuable as a potential franchise QB.

I see your point Smoot. In that case, I'd be fine with that move as well. We need a franchise QB more than anything at this point, and I feel Luck is probably going to be the only QB in this draft that can start from day one. Although I still think he'd probably sit for a bit.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I would totally be fine with that. No problem whatsoever. Trent is one toke away from being irrelevant in the nfl and orakpo is pretty overrated as it is. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't say totally irrelevant but I like to think between being double teamed on rushing plays and held on others he has to be opening things up for Kerrigan. But as long as we were able to get a decent replacement then I could live with trading Orakpo.... I just get the feeling he would be a beast elsewhere and screw us but ..... thats par for the course.

Trent is a different story. He's been out and the team has not missed a beat. I'd even say they have played almost better. Almost. Trent is definitly expendable. It's just a shame he doesn't realize it and do whats right by his big contract. Instead he'd prefer to toke it up.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

I couldn't give up Brian Orakpo. After Trent Williams puff, puff, pass ordeal, I'm not as high on him (no pun intended) as I used to be. This would be taken a huge chance, but I'd put Fred Davis in that list with the hopes that Chris Cooley could recover and be close to what he used to be. It would be difficult for the Rams to not give Sam Bradford another good weapon to throw to.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

That is a very tempting scenario. I love TW but his off-field problems make him perhaps a long-term liability. And I love Rak but he is not great in coverage and remains undeveloped as a pass rusher. We'd have to find a FA to fill Rak's spot but I might pull the trigger on this scenario.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

That would be a pretty ballsy move, but it's probably the kind of move it will take to move up for Luck.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

Sign me up...I will even rent a limo to drive them to the airport!