The coordinators

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by MTK

Doesn't matter what type of front you play when you simply don't have enough talent.

True, however it determines the type of personnel you go after.

And they need to stop striking-out on free agents (granted low level)...... Reyes,Bruton,Johnson, Toler, Hood,Paea, etc. Then draft talent on defense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

True, however it determines the type of personnel you go after.

Of course, but the point is we need upgrades regardless. Just switching the front won't make a difference, and we're in 4-3 a big part of the time anyway.

[MTK]

For the 4-3 advocates...

Redskins' defensive woes run deep - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

[Chico23231]

Ricky Jean, Ziggy hood just aren't DTs for 4-3. I don't think we have a good MLB either for the scheme. Wil isn't getting it done. Foster and Cravens on the outside...I can see that as a positive tandem.

Interesting last sentence from Keim "Smith will need a strong offseason"...

[Schneed10]

4-3 or 3-4, doesn't matter. Kerrigan Murph and Smith are all flexible enough to play with the hand in the dirt or standing up.

Barry is a major part of the problem. Stick with me here on the X's and O's, but here's why his system is a bad fit.

- One of the premises of his system is an attack-style, one-gap approach at the defensive line and a lot of zone defense on the back end. The one-gap favors quickness and penetration up front to generate a lot of disruption and pressure, and the zone on the back end is designed such that DBs can have their eyes on the QB more, which can then lead to picks if the line penetrates and disrupts often enough.

- This system can be effective if you get enough penetration. We don't. Baker is the only one that occasionally shoots gaps.

- The obvious vulnerability that comes with shooting gaps is that it's easy for the offensive line to use your momentum against you and just wash you out of a play. So it can leave gaping holes for RBs to exploit.

- In order for a one-gap to be effective against the run, you need extremely athletic linebackers that can get into a gap vacated by a one-gapping lineman, they have to do it extremely quickly. And they have to be hitters capable of stalemating a lineman in the hole. We lack the athleticism and size at LB.

That's the problem with the scheme. There are also plenty of problems with the secondary - the safety position is undermanned, while the CB position should be better given the talent. I don't think Barry does a good job communicating when a CB should use inside or outside leverage and I don't think he has them understanding where their help is. But those aren't scheme things, that's just poor coaching.

Sticking with the scheme problem, I don't know how you continue to run a one-gap defense when you know you don't have the horses up front to penetrate often enough, and you know you don't have the LBs to make up for vacated gaps. With this personnel group I would be running more of a Greg Blache two-gap scheme. Given the limitations with the line talent, I would ask them to occupy blockers. It's much more vanilla but it would at least stop the run much better. That would keep linemen off our physically overmatched linebackers, and let them use their decent recognition skills to stop the ballcarrier.

You don't get too many game-changing disrupting plays with a scheme like this, but we haven't been doing that anyway because we lack the talent. If we had a Fletcher Cox alongside Baker, it'd be different. We should be two gapping, forcing teams into more 3rd and 7s, and then running stunts and twists to try to win on the obvious passing downs.

I don't like defensive coordinators who show an inability to adapt their system. Barry does the same damn thing every game. We one-gap, we get gashed by the run, we use Whitner in the box to help as the CBs back off the line, and we get destroyed in the secondary. He should be able to get more out of this group, and his inability to make adjustments is unsatisfactory.

If we had better personnel would Barry be better? Sure, duh. But even with better talent there will be times where our opponents are ripe for a one-gap with zone, and other times where other opponents are ripe for a two-gap. I don't like his lack of flexibility and poor adjustments.

We need a talent infusion at all three defensive levels but we also need some better thinking at D coordinator. It's truly an organizational failure. Barry needs to be replaced and a lot of the players need to be upgraded.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

4-3 or 3-4, doesn't matter. Kerrigan Murph and Smith are all flexible enough to play with the hand in the dirt or standing up.

Barry is a major part of the problem. Stick with me here on the X's and O's, but here's why his system is a bad fit.

- One of the premises of his system is an attack-style, one-gap approach at the defensive line and a lot of zone defense on the back end. The one-gap favors quickness and penetration up front to generate a lot of disruption and pressure, and the zone on the back end is designed such that DBs can have their eyes on the QB more, which can then lead to picks if the line penetrates and disrupts often enough.

- This system can be effective if you get enough penetration. We don't. Baker is the only one that occasionally shoots gaps.

- The obvious vulnerability that comes with shooting gaps is that it's easy for the offensive line to use your momentum against you and just wash you out of a play. So it can leave gaping holes for RBs to exploit.

- In order for a one-gap to be effective against the run, you need extremely athletic linebackers that can get into a gap vacated by a one-gapping lineman, they have to do it extremely quickly. And they have to be hitters capable of stalemating a lineman in the hole. We lack the athleticism and size at LB.

That's the problem with the scheme. There are also plenty of problems with the secondary - the safety position is undermanned, while the CB position should be better given the talent. I don't think Barry does a good job communicating when a CB should use inside or outside leverage and I don't think he has them understanding where their help is. But those aren't scheme things, that's just poor coaching.

Sticking with the scheme problem, I don't know how you continue to run a one-gap defense when you know you don't have the horses up front to penetrate often enough, and you know you don't have the LBs to make up for vacated gaps. With this personnel group I would be running more of a Greg Blache two-gap scheme. Given the limitations with the line talent, I would ask them to occupy blockers. It's much more vanilla but it would at least stop the run much better. That would keep linemen off our physically overmatched linebackers, and let them use their decent recognition skills to stop the ballcarrier.

You don't get too many game-changing disrupting plays with a scheme like this, but we haven't been doing that anyway because we lack the talent. If we had a Fletcher Cox alongside Baker, it'd be different. We should be two gapping, forcing teams into more 3rd and 7s, and then running stunts and twists to try to win on the obvious passing downs.

I don't like defensive coordinators who show an inability to adapt their system. Barry does the same damn thing every game. We one-gap, we get gashed by the run, we use Whitner in the box to help as the CBs back off the line, and we get destroyed in the secondary. He should be able to get more out of this group, and his inability to make adjustments is unsatisfactory.

If we had better personnel would Barry be better? Sure, duh. But even with better talent there will be times where our opponents are ripe for a one-gap with zone, and other times where other opponents are ripe for a two-gap. I don't like his lack of flexibility and poor adjustments.

We need a talent infusion at all three defensive levels but we also need some better thinking at D coordinator. It's truly an organizational failure. Barry needs to be replaced and a lot of the players need to be upgraded.

Great post, thanks. This is the kind of posts I came here for. Improving my knowledge of this game.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

4-3 or 3-4, doesn't matter. Kerrigan Murph and Smith are all flexible enough to play with the hand in the dirt or standing up.

Barry is a major part of the problem. Stick with me here on the X's and O's, but here's why his system is a bad fit.

- One of the premises of his system is an attack-style, one-gap approach at the defensive line and a lot of zone defense on the back end. The one-gap favors quickness and penetration up front to generate a lot of disruption and pressure, and the zone on the back end is designed such that DBs can have their eyes on the QB more, which can then lead to picks if the line penetrates and disrupts often enough.

- This system can be effective if you get enough penetration. We don't. Baker is the only one that occasionally shoots gaps.

- The obvious vulnerability that comes with shooting gaps is that it's easy for the offensive line to use your momentum against you and just wash you out of a play. So it can leave gaping holes for RBs to exploit.

- In order for a one-gap to be effective against the run, you need extremely athletic linebackers that can get into a gap vacated by a one-gapping lineman, they have to do it extremely quickly. And they have to be hitters capable of stalemating a lineman in the hole. We lack the athleticism and size at LB.

That's the problem with the scheme. There are also plenty of problems with the secondary - the safety position is undermanned, while the CB position should be better given the talent. I don't think Barry does a good job communicating when a CB should use inside or outside leverage and I don't think he has them understanding where their help is. But those aren't scheme things, that's just poor coaching.

Sticking with the scheme problem, I don't know how you continue to run a one-gap defense when you know you don't have the horses up front to penetrate often enough, and you know you don't have the LBs to make up for vacated gaps. With this personnel group I would be running more of a Greg Blache two-gap scheme. Given the limitations with the line talent, I would ask them to occupy blockers. It's much more vanilla but it would at least stop the run much better. That would keep linemen off our physically overmatched linebackers, and let them use their decent recognition skills to stop the ballcarrier.

You don't get too many game-changing disrupting plays with a scheme like this, but we haven't been doing that anyway because we lack the talent. If we had a Fletcher Cox alongside Baker, it'd be different. We should be two gapping, forcing teams into more 3rd and 7s, and then running stunts and twists to try to win on the obvious passing downs.

I don't like defensive coordinators who show an inability to adapt their system. Barry does the same damn thing every game. We one-gap, we get gashed by the run, we use Whitner in the box to help as the CBs back off the line, and we get destroyed in the secondary. He should be able to get more out of this group, and his inability to make adjustments is unsatisfactory.

If we had better personnel would Barry be better? Sure, duh. But even with better talent there will be times where our opponents are ripe for a one-gap with zone, and other times where other opponents are ripe for a two-gap. I don't like his lack of flexibility and poor adjustments.

We need a talent infusion at all three defensive levels but we also need some better thinking at D coordinator. It's truly an organizational failure. Barry needs to be replaced and a lot of the players need to be upgraded.

BLUF: Joe Barry sucks.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

4-3 or 3-4, doesn't matter. Kerrigan Murph and Smith are all flexible enough to play with the hand in the dirt or standing up.

Barry is a major part of the problem. Stick with me here on the X's and O's, but here's why his system is a bad fit.

- One of the premises of his system is an attack-style, one-gap approach at the defensive line and a lot of zone defense on the back end. The one-gap favors quickness and penetration up front to generate a lot of disruption and pressure, and the zone on the back end is designed such that DBs can have their eyes on the QB more, which can then lead to picks if the line penetrates and disrupts often enough.

- This system can be effective if you get enough penetration. We don't. Baker is the only one that occasionally shoots gaps.

- The obvious vulnerability that comes with shooting gaps is that it's easy for the offensive line to use your momentum against you and just wash you out of a play. So it can leave gaping holes for RBs to exploit.

- In order for a one-gap to be effective against the run, you need extremely athletic linebackers that can get into a gap vacated by a one-gapping lineman, they have to do it extremely quickly. And they have to be hitters capable of stalemating a lineman in the hole. We lack the athleticism and size at LB.

That's the problem with the scheme. There are also plenty of problems with the secondary - the safety position is undermanned, while the CB position should be better given the talent. I don't think Barry does a good job communicating when a CB should use inside or outside leverage and I don't think he has them understanding where their help is. But those aren't scheme things, that's just poor coaching.

Sticking with the scheme problem, I don't know how you continue to run a one-gap defense when you know you don't have the horses up front to penetrate often enough, and you know you don't have the LBs to make up for vacated gaps. With this personnel group I would be running more of a Greg Blache two-gap scheme. Given the limitations with the line talent, I would ask them to occupy blockers. It's much more vanilla but it would at least stop the run much better. That would keep linemen off our physically overmatched linebackers, and let them use their decent recognition skills to stop the ballcarrier.

You don't get too many game-changing disrupting plays with a scheme like this, but we haven't been doing that anyway because we lack the talent. If we had a Fletcher Cox alongside Baker, it'd be different. We should be two gapping, forcing teams into more 3rd and 7s, and then running stunts and twists to try to win on the obvious passing downs.

I don't like defensive coordinators who show an inability to adapt their system. Barry does the same damn thing every game. We one-gap, we get gashed by the run, we use Whitner in the box to help as the CBs back off the line, and we get destroyed in the secondary. He should be able to get more out of this group, and his inability to make adjustments is unsatisfactory.

If we had better personnel would Barry be better? Sure, duh. But even with better talent there will be times where our opponents are ripe for a one-gap with zone, and other times where other opponents are ripe for a two-gap. I don't like his lack of flexibility and poor adjustments.

We need a talent infusion at all three defensive levels but we also need some better thinking at D coordinator. It's truly an organizational failure. Barry needs to be replaced and a lot of the players need to be upgraded.

One of the best post i seen in a while.

[ethat001]

Agree, great post.

Did someone already do an in-depth analysis on why our running game sucks? Callahan is supposed to be a O-line / run game guru, and everyone says the O-line is "one of the best" and we have two pro-bowlers --- but they only seem to pass-block well. I know Kelley isn't Elliott, but we're only 14th in rushing and they rarely create big holes. Kelley seems to have to make guys miss in the backfield & we seem like we're routinely 2nd and 8 or worse after running. I feel like our redzone ineffectiveness is likely partly due to a poor run game, and all the attempted fade routes in redzone are likely due to lack of confidence in run game. Aside from the Mack Brown long run and 1-2 runs from Thompson, all we had was Kelley 19 of 76 for 4 yard average against Chicago..

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Agree, great post.

Did someone already do an in-depth analysis on why our running game sucks? Callahan is supposed to be a O-line / run game guru, and everyone says the O-line is "one of the best" and we have two pro-bowlers --- but they only seem to pass-block well. I know Kelley isn't Elliott, but we're only 14th in rushing and they rarely create big holes. Kelley seems to have to make guys miss in the backfield & we seem like we're routinely 2nd and 8 or worse after running. I feel like our redzone ineffectiveness is likely partly due to a poor run game, and all the attempted fade routes in redzone are likely due to lack of confidence in run game. Aside from the Mack Brown long run and 1-2 runs from Thompson, all we had was Kelley 19 of 76 for 4 yard average against Chicago..

I'm not a Lauvao fan, Kouandjio should be starting in his place, only reason is not happening is the money invested in Lauvao.

[OmahaRedskins]

I am looking for a post but i can't find it. I thought I read a post where someone mentioned Cooley discussing possible replacements for Barry. Does anybody remember this post?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Agree, great post.

Did someone already do an in-depth analysis on why our running game sucks? Callahan is supposed to be a O-line / run game guru, and everyone says the O-line is "one of the best" and we have two pro-bowlers --- but they only seem to pass-block well. I know Kelley isn't Elliott, but we're only 14th in rushing and they rarely create big holes. Kelley seems to have to make guys miss in the backfield & we seem like we're routinely 2nd and 8 or worse after running. I feel like our redzone ineffectiveness is likely partly due to a poor run game, and all the attempted fade routes in redzone are likely due to lack of confidence in run game. Aside from the Mack Brown long run and 1-2 runs from Thompson, all we had was Kelley 19 of 76 for 4 yard average against Chicago..

It comes down to the coaches' commitment. Moses, Trent and schreff all excel at run blocking. Lauvao is a much better run blocker than pass blocker. We have some inexperienced running backs but physical. So it comes down to Gruden and mcvay doing a better job gameplan and instituting a physical run attack consistently.

Certainly our stats state when we commit to the running game we win period. Mcvay and Gruden haven't shown that commitment every game and that is certainly where the fault lies. Damn shame cause we would probably be more effective in the red zone if we would.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Certainly our stats state when we commit to the running game we win period. Mcvay and Gruden haven't shown that commitment every game and that is certainly where the fault lies. Damn shame cause we would probably be more effective in the red zone if we would.

I agree with you, but it's always tricky to say simply running more leads to more wins. And the fact that we win more when we run more -- could simply be because when you're winning by the second half -- you run out the clock, increasing the numbers of runs. And if you're losing early by a lot or your run game sucks early, you may not call many runs -- and calling more runs in those situations would NOT help you win. In other words, simple run % may not determine the game but may reflect the nature of the game.

I think we need to fix the running game first, and then stay committed to it AFTER we've proven the run game is consistently effective.

[Defensewins]

Play calling is a big part of the problem, especially earlier this season.
One thing that is not talked about as much is TE, WR, RB and FB run blocking.
We are built to pass. Not one of our TE's, RB's, WR's and FB's is a great run blocker. We have a couple of pretty good run blockers in Pierre Garcon, Vernon Davis and Rob Kelly is a good pass blocker. But that is it. We do not have a TE that puts the fear in a defensive player. That is part of the problem. Jordan Reed when healthy is a top receiving TE, but his run blocking is not very good.....and I am being nice. A run blocking TE that can catch as well is a need. We are one dimensional for a reason.

[HailGreen28]

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