Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?

[SunnySide]

Per Sheehan this morning on radio (who i like, middle of the road type):

Lombardi hates Bruce Allen and the Skins

Sheehan (local) has heard the opposite - that Haskins is coachable, good kid, not entitled, that he is putting in the work but he is not the first one in-last one out.

Confirmation bias - if you have the preconceived notion that Haskins is an entitled lazy malcontent then you will flock to this dude named Lombardi's outside opinion as gospel.

I personally am struggling with my preconceived notion of him bc of his Terps spurn, limited action in college playing for a stacked OSU and he was a Snyder pick ... but the kid deserves every chance and right to be his own man, make his own mark and not be judged by our sensitivities from the RG3 debacle. Im trying not to judge a 22 year old's body expressions and "liking" an instagram post of Jay getting fired.

Local reports are that he is coachable and a good kid. I would love to hear that he is "first on in-last one out" ... maybe he'll learn and grow into that as he becomes the QB and leader on this team.

He gets 2 years imo, and I will be as consciously aware as possible of not judging him on a negative curve as a Snyder pick.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Per Sheehan this morning on radio (who i like, middle of the road type):

Lombardi hates Bruce Allen and the Skins

Sheehan (local) has heard the opposite - that Haskins is coachable, good kid, not entitled, that he is putting in the work but he is not the first one in-last one out.

Confirmation bias - if you have the preconceived notion that Haskins is an entitled lazy malcontent then you will flock to this dude named Lombardi's outside opinion as gospel.

I personally am struggling with my preconceived notion of him bc of his Terps spurn, limited action in college playing for a stacked OSU and he was a Snyder pick ... but the kid deserves every chance and right to be his own man, make his own mark and not be judged by our sensitivities from the RG3 debacle. Im trying not to judge a 22 year old's body expressions and "liking" an instagram post of Jay getting fired.

Local reports are that he is coachable and a good kid. I would love to hear that he is "first on in-last one out" ... maybe he'll learn and grow into that as he becomes the QB and leader on this team.

He gets 2 years imo, and I will be as consciously aware as possible of not judging him on a negative curve as a Snyder pick.

When in doubt, listen to the local guys over national

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

When in doubt, listen to the local guys over national

Agreed, and actual reporters like JP, Hoffman, Keim, Michael Phillips.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I just say, there is really not much to lose to have him play now.

[irish]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I just say, there is really not much to lose to have him play now.

I agree. Plus the new HC may or may not want him the same was Jay didn't want RG3. Of course anything regarding the new HC's use of Haskins will be subject to the approval of Snyder.

[SFREDSKIN]

Good article:
https://theundefeated.com/features/h...wayne-haskins/

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good article:
https://theundefeated.com/features/h...wayne-haskins/

Should have fired Jay after last season and started over with a new HC. Also should have cleaned house and traded off assets like Trent, Kerrigan, Norman, etc., and went the nuclear route and cut Alex Smith. This team is never proactive, always reactive. Big reason why we're always spinning our wheels.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Should have fired Jay after last season and started over with a new HC. Also should have cleaned house and traded off assets like Trent, Kerrigan, Norman, etc., and went the nuclear route and cut Alex Smith. This team is never proactive, always reactive. Big reason why we're always spinning our wheels.

Im hearing a lot of the same complaints over and over...but this statement really resonates because the personnel decision making follows this type of 'No plan" agenda. Did we really need to give out the second or third highest contract in Free agency this past Offseason all for "Splash" effect? Did we have to knee jerk a Alex Smith trade, for 2 years knowing we would never truly commit to Cousins?

ETC...

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Should have fired Jay after last season and started over with a new HC. Also should have cleaned house and traded off assets like Trent, Kerrigan, Norman, etc., and went the nuclear route and cut Alex Smith. This team is never proactive, always reactive. Big reason why we're always spinning our wheels.

Jordan Reed needs to go as well. We have to get rid of all of the past mistakes.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I have huge reservations on the body of work at OSU as well. I don't knock the pick QB will always be over valued and with the 15th I have no real problem. I just want the kid to get in so we know what we have.

Here is an interesting read from SI about a few QB "busts" and how their tenures could be the future of Haskins and Rosen.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/10/do...ins-nfl-week-6


There is some validity to it especially when you see the Brady Quinn scenario. Personally I think Rosen is headed to bust territory. Gets drafted, forced to start too soon, coach and OC canned then sent packing for a new QB, land in Miami where they will be drafting another QB. I don't care how mentally tough you think you are losing your job two years in a row weighs on a man.

[Warthog]

I doubt Reed will ever play in the NFL again. Vernon Davis is old and was kept on even though he is a terrible blocking TE. VD was one of Gruden’s pets, same as Colt McCoy, who will be gone next year.

If the team REALLY wants a HC like Tomlin, then Snyder & BA are going to have to surrender some of their power. I’ve seen article after article which rightly blames the two-decade long losing streak of Danny Snyder, ON Snyder. Only a fool or someone who just wants to CASH IN, will come here under the current management circumstances.


BA may live in LA-LA land and and pretend everything is fine, but serious NFL guys like Tomlin aren’t even going to consider the Redskins, unless the Snyder/BA AMATEUR HOUR ends.

Finally I understand why BA hasn’t done anything with TW. TW IS THE BAIT TO GET THE STEELERS TO GIVE UP TOMLIN.


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[30gut]

He’s not ready.

But the reasons why he’s not ready are the real issue.

-Jay didn’t want to draft him

-Jay has made no effort to prepare him (no first team reps at all, didn’t build the offense around him-Kylar Murray was a 1 year starter at OU and is having success in an offense and scheme built around him)

-The QBs that Jay actually WANTS to play STILL don’t play well- suggesting that Jay wouldn’t even know how to prepare him IF he wanted to

-The team isn’t good enough to support a rookie QB

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

He’s not ready.



But the reasons why he’s not ready are the real issue.



-Jay didn’t want to draft him



-Jay has made no effort to prepare him (no first team reps at all, didn’t build the offense around him-Kylar Murray was a 1 year starter at OU and is having success in an offense and scheme built around him)



-The QBs that Jay actually WANTS to play STILL don’t play well- suggesting that Jay wouldn’t even know how to prepare him IF he wanted to



-The team isn’t good enough to support a rookie QB

First, why are you speak of Jay in the present tense. Jay was was fired almost a month ago.

Second, you neglected to mention the single biggest reason he’s not ready:

Haskins doesn’t know the playbook. He’s been here 6 months and doesn’t know the playbook. That’s 100% on him.


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[MTK]

Alex Smith had problems picking up the offense as well. Just saying, don't kill the rookie when he's never had to learn a pro offense before and his college system didn't prep him at all for this.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Alex Smith had problems picking up the offense as well. Just saying, don't kill the rookie when he's never had to learn a pro offense before and his college system didn't prep him at all for this.

That and they let him come out of college with sloppy footwork and other fundamental issues. It is going to take time to unlearn years of bad habits.