WTF @ Bills post game thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I think we should focus on QB in the draft.. As we have seen from some teams, franchise QBs can turn the team around. Look at Mahomes, Herbert, Jackson (I personally don't like him as QB but results is results), etc. If we continue to play like we played yesterday throughout the season - I think we will be in top 6-8 in the draft, which means we will have a chance to draft a QB. So far, it seems like WFT, Steelers, Texans, Lions, maybe Broncos and Panthers will need a new QB next year.

Definitely a need, but look at Chicago and Jacksonville….a rookie quarterback would get shell shocked and probably gun shy playing behind our oline. Plus i dont think next years draft is quarterback heavy.
We are unfortunately a new staff, a quarterback, and several starters from contending. It sucks.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Definitely a need, but look at Chicago and Jacksonville….a rookie quarterback would get shell shocked and probably gun shy playing behind our oline. Plus i dont think next years draft is quarterback heavy.
We are unfortunately a new staff, a quarterback, and several starters from contending. It sucks.

Good point... BPA is probably the best way to go.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Kid rocking an Aaron Rodgers jersey in first period talking to a lab partner about the NFC east: "I am not discounting any of those teams. They are all bad enough to win that division."

[Coff]

It's tempting to blame the coaching because it's an easy fix; fewer pieces need replacing. It's harder to accept that so much draft investment may have been wasted. And I'm referring here to the d-line obviously. Four first round draft picks and it looks like only one was worth the cost.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Coff

It's tempting to blame the coaching because it's an easy fix; fewer pieces need replacing. It's harder to accept that so much draft investment may have been wasted. And I'm referring here to the d-line obviously. Four first round draft picks and it looks like only one was worth the cost.

I agree to an extent but what are the odds that it is everyone else except JDR? Same on the offensive side. Is it everyone else or is it Turner? Is it the whole team being out of sync and undisciplined or is it RR? Carolina seems to have righted the ship after he left? Do i think we have the talent to be super bowl contenders? No. Do i think we have the talent to not be a bottom five team in the league? Yes. This is on the coaches.

[OnceWeWereKings]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I agree to an extent but what are the odds that it is everyone else except JDR? Same on the offensive side. Is it everyone else or is it Turner? Is it the whole team being out of sync and undisciplined or is it RR? Carolina seems to have righted the ship after he left? Do i think we have the talent to be super bowl contenders? No. Do i think we have the talent to not be a bottom five team in the league? Yes. This is on the coaches.

I have to agree. While I think we were over rated as a possible top 5 def team, we def were not this bad. We have regressed sooooo much from last year to this, with most of the same personel. Our front was consistently getting pressure last year. This year, with the same dl, absolutely 0 pressure. I can't crown them the best dl ever....but they def are playing under their ceiling from what I saw last year.
Also...I don't know what we have in heineke. I think yesterday was more of what he would be as a regular full time starter. But we also have to agree that he is leaps and bounds above our qb situation the last 2 or 3 years. Again....we are no offensive juggernaut, but we have more talent than what has been displayed this year. I don't know what the answers are...but it def seems like coaching and scheme to me. It almost feels like we are playing to lose. Very very strange to see improved personel on the field and upgraded positional players (minus lb, and rt) to degrade so much. It's like they are just going through the motions so they don't have to worry about the game in 3.5 hrs.
I was skeptical about rr's record....but welcomed the culture change....but I'm wondering if that has even happened, or if it was all smoke and mirrors preaching discipline and change...cause at this point, it doesn't seem like it was really really real at all.

[irish]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

I have to agree. While I think we were over rated as a possible top 5 def team, we def were not this bad. We have regressed sooooo much from last year to this, with most of the same personel. Our front was consistently getting pressure last year. This year, with the same dl, absolutely 0 pressure. I can't crown them the best dl ever....but they def are playing under their ceiling from what I saw last year.
Also...I don't know what we have in heineke. I think yesterday was more of what he would be as a regular full time starter. But we also have to agree that he is leaps and bounds above our qb situation the last 2 or 3 years. Again....we are no offensive juggernaut, but we have more talent than what has been displayed this year. I don't know what the answers are...but it def seems like coaching and scheme to me. It almost feels like we are playing to lose. Very very strange to see improved personel on the field and upgraded positional players (minus lb, and rt) to degrade so much. It's like they are just going through the motions so they don't have to worry about the game in 3.5 hrs.
I was skeptical about rr's record....but welcomed the culture change....but I'm wondering if that has even happened, or if it was all smoke and mirrors preaching discipline and change...cause at this point, it doesn't seem like it was really really real at all.

Agree. For someone who preached preparation it seems like this team isn't prepared to play. Last year with Covid shortened off-season there was an excuse but this year they have had all the OTLs and training camp but WFT still doesn't look remotely prepared.

If it makes anyone feel better it took RR three season to produce a winning record in Carolina. The downside of that is he had one of the best young QBs in the NFL, he doesn't have anything close to that here.

[EdmundDorf]

Most of these guys were here last year, especially the main culprits, Landon Collins, Bostic and Fuller. They should know what their assignments are by now. If it is one player, bench him, if it is one position group it is the position coach, but if the whole defense is a mess then that is on the coordinator and the play calling

[skinsfaninok]

Max Kellerman “I can’t believe this Washington team was picked by some to go to the NFC title game”

[skinsfaninok]

Keyshawn “just because you have 4 first round picks on the line doesn’t mean you get first round production “

Bingo

[BaltimoreSkins]

I was looking at our teams pass coverage stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...1_advanced.htm

WJ3 is playing pretty well. 50% completion passage. Yds/comp is a bit higher than I would like. Don't know average for a no. 1.

Collins does not look like a liability in pass protection but once they catch the ball his missed tackle rate? ooph

Bostic, Holcomb and Curl got to step up. Those underneath routes are killing us.

[Chico23231]

We need to find a QB.

Yes the defense still needs help. It’s really criminal we sit back during free agency and look for good deals instead of getting a LB or a free safety who can contribute.

Will Ron hold some of these players accountable on defense and bench them? Move Collins to the bench and play Curl their. Play McCain at free. Just get Bostic off the field and play the rook their all the time to get experience.

Turner offense to me isn’t my favorite. I’d like to move to a zone blocking run scheme. And play more 12 personnel while still mixing in 3 wide sets. We don’t even use a second boundary WR effectively

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

We need to find a QB.

Yes the defense still needs help. It’s really criminal we sit back during free agency and look for good deals instead of getting a LB or a free safety who can contribute.

Will Ron hold some of these players accountable on defense and bench them? Move Collins to the bench and play Curl their. Play McCain at free. Just get Bostic off the field and play the rook their all the time to get experience.

Turner offense to me isn’t my favorite. I’d like to move to a zone blocking run scheme. And play more 12 personnel while still mixing in 3 wide sets. We don’t even use a second boundary WR effectively

Bostic is so fucking bad that him starting alone is a fireable offense for RR and JDR. You have to put someone else in there. It literally cannot be worse.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Bostic is so fucking bad that him starting alone is a fireable offense for RR and JDR. You have to put someone else in there. It literally cannot be worse.

Bostic 85.7% completion rate against and a allowed QB rating of 98.2. Awful

[Coff]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Bostic is so fucking bad that him starting alone is a fireable offense for RR and JDR. You have to put someone else in there. It literally cannot be worse.

Have you not been paying attention the last thirty years? j/k (kinda)