Jason Whitlock column on Taylor

[BleedBurgundy]

No you don't have to apologize, no one does, but you sure don't have to feel great about making a living out of perpetuating stereotypes and thuggish behavior. And personally I couldn't agree more about MTV...

[joethiesmanfan]

The state of society today. You have to be rich in America to make a difference on anything. Step one is get rich. Step two, make changes. The Kennedy's made their money illegally shipping liquor during prohibition. Son becomes president. That is how this country works. Wanna change something, you have got to be rich. You have to have resources.

[joethiesmanfan]

But bleed my question to you is how should people act? Like bleed? What images do you portray? Is that even important? To me to each his own I have enough trouble being me.

[BleedBurgundy]

See I think that "to each his own" is what's wrong here. No one, and I mean NO ONE, wants to be held accountable anymore. People need to start to understand that our actions as individuals effect us as a whole. No, I'm not arbiter of what is right and wrong but there have to be standards to which we are held. I respect your view point, I just don't agree with it. Part of my reason for discussing this issue so much today is that I have had some in-person conversations on this subject with friends of mine and no one has any answers, just defense mechanisms. It seems like white people like me are afraid to talk about it because they think they'll be branded as racist or not in-touch or whatever. I guess I'm just frustrated with this country because I feel like we're headed for some really bad times and no one's going to stop it from happening.

[joethiesmanfan]

Peace man. Next time something happens Whitlock will say hiphop mentality. Wow can I live? I don't make my living dragging Sean Taylor's name through the mud. Sean Taylor was guy to look up to. A modern day John Wayne.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Peace man. Next time something happens Whitlock will say hiphop mentality. Wow can I live? I don't make my living dragging Sean Taylor's name through the mud. Sean Taylor was guy to look up to. A modern day John Wayne.

Neither do I. We're all pissed off because ST was a great guy and was trying to improve his life, which may have led to his death. It's fucked up.

[joethiesmanfan]

I agree no one is held accountable anymore. Jails are full I think alot of people are being held accountable. The thugs are being held accountable for everything that is wrong. I think that is another point. Blame everything on HipHop, but Whitlock is not accountable for anything? He playing sides in the blame game and tarnishing Sean's memory. He ashamed of the hood. I'm glad Hip Hop reminds the world something is wrong here. This is what happens. Post appocalyptic culture of mine. Peace. Holla later bled.

[BleedBurgundy]

Later. Good talking to you.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Not to be rude but this is getting hijacked. If we start in on the politics then we'll get WAY off topic.

You are rude, however, and a shallow reading such as yours is not appreciated. You see the name of a political figure in a post and knee jerk your way into a foolish hypothesis that a thoughtful post is about politics. The topic is not just Sean Taylor here, but the cultural conditions that make such a hideous crime likely. I cited many aspects of the failures of our society, corrupt politicians being one.

What do you think Whitlock is doing in his column? My post is my take on the subject he introduces. It's your post that is way off topic.

[joethiesmanfan]

I think Sean was a leader by example which I love. In order to lead people they have to respect you. No one is gonna follow a sissy. Except another sissy. Sean was a leader Whitlock is not. The black community wants strong leaders. That is who we gonna follow. Look at who the kids look up to tough mofos, and that is how it is whitlock. The kids look up to and who the women lookup, strong black men. I admit someyoung punks wanna be thugs make everybody look bad. Stop trying to pencil whip Sean Whitlock.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

You are rude, however, and a shallow reading such as yours is not appreciated. You see the name of a political figure in a post and knee jerk your way into a foolish hypothesis that a thoughtful post is about politics. The topic is not just Sean Taylor here, but the cultural conditions that make such a hideous crime likely. I cited many aspects of the failures of our society, corrupt politicians being one.

What do you think Whitlock is doing in his column? My post is my take on the subject he introduces. It's your post that is way off topic.

Let me put it this way. Every time Bush or Clinton is brought up on this site, it seems like right away a Right vs. Left arguement breaks out. That was my point, that there's a lot of touchy subjects being discussed and we all have to be careful. If that's rude, that's rude.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

a moron has lead us into a murderous and elective war complete with cluster bombs and torture, previously thought unthinkable

I was just saying that I thought every Republican member of the board was going to be all over this. Obviously since I was the only one to comment on it, I was wrong. Everything else in your post, I agreed with. I think if you read through this whole thread you'll see that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I was just saying that I thought every Republican member of the board was going to be all over this. Obviously since I was the only one to comment on it, I was wrong. Everything else in your post, I agreed with. I think if you read through this whole thread you'll see that.

Sometimes some things aren't worth responding to though

[warriorzpath]

Everyone should just be held accountable for their own actions as individuals. And like someone has already posted - just lead by example. If you see a problem, take a proactive approach and do something, something little, anything - just as long as you are doing something.

About whitlock - he is being praised for sparking this discussion and I think Riggins even called him an activist (I am a fan of Riggins, by the way). No way is this guy an activist. Activists do spark discussions - I do not disagree with that - but I perceive activists sparking a cause in a positive direction not in complaints and negativity. Also, activists take a stand on an issue and help guide everyone in the right direction (especially by leading by example in his own actions).

Nothing about his article is inspiring. I think I heard a caller on the riggins show say that whitlock just causes more contention and conflict- I have to agree.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Let me put it this way. Every time Bush or Clinton is brought up on this site, it seems like right away a Right vs. Left arguement breaks out. That was my point, that there's a lot of touchy subjects being discussed and we all have to be careful. If that's rude, that's rude.

You make an excellent point. I should have included Clinton as a President who has damaged the moral stature of the government, as has the current Congress on both sides of the aisle.

I believe in the trickle-down theory of corruption and meanness. Not showing respect for others or morality or law starts at the top and trickles on down to where the real dying is done.

Do I believe that characters like Nixon and Johnson and Kennedy and Reagan contribute to negative cultural dynamics that cause gang bangers and bad-boy rappers who want to kill cops and each other.

Yes, I do.