Dan Snyder losing respectability?

[Longtimefan]

So many people have suggested that Mr. Snyder should just stand down, have no say in football matters, just let others run the team and he just sign the checks. Well, it's not going to happen. I'll be one of the first to admit the man has made some mistakes in his decision making, but whose perfect here? We all make mistakes, but to repeatedly point out his mistakes would cause one to wonder if he has any strengths'.

I do know one thing, if I pay $800mil for a sports franchise, I'm going to have some say as to how things are done. I may not always be right, and I may be critized, but that's the nature of the beast when you're in a position open to public scrunity.

Things weren't always coming up roses with Cooke, Bethard and Gibbs during the time when the team enjoyed success on a sustained basis either, but the key to it all was the team won games. It was also during a time when every household didn't have a computer, and so much propaganda spread through the various media outlets on a 24/7 cycle. I pray that I will live to see the day when Mr.Snyder finally gets it right, and the team will get back to winning on a consistent basis, however, until that day comes there will without a doubt be more threads like this one and the Snyder bashing will continue.

[Defensewins]

I think you guys take things to such extremes. I am not advocating Mr. Snyder turn into a marsh mellow and just sign the checks. For eight years Snyder has done it his way and it has not worked. I would like see him be humble enough try something diffrent. Bring in a strong GM and let him call the player personnel shots with Snyder in an advisory role of course. But the Gm and HC should get the final say so. Then lets see what happens. It hasn't been tried. What is so wrong with trying something new?
It works for the other highly successful teams in the NFL, it might work for us?

[Paintrain]

I hate to play the IF game.. But...
IF the Giants had lost against GB 3 weeks ago do you think we'd already have a coach in place since he was obviously waiting on Spagnuolo?
IF we had a coach in place do you think we'd care so much about Cerrato being named EVP?
IF we had a coach in place 3 weeks ago and Cerrato was named EVP would we still be talking about Snyder's meddling ways?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

It works for the other highly successful teams in the NFL, it might work for us?

Hiring a GM might work for us, but so might the current arrangement. Jerry Jones, as owner, has done quite well lately even though he is just as involved in team affairs as Dan Snyder.

I'm still convinced that most of our woes are attributable to our inability to find a quality quarterback. If JC develops into an above average QB, I think most of our woes will fall by the wayside.

[celts32]

I don't have a problem with the Redskins structure or Danny's involvement. My concern is that Vinny may not be qualified for his job and he is the only person who has not been made accountable for the results of the team since Snyder has owned the team. Maybe this promotion for Vinny will finally make him accountable...if they win he stays and if they lose he goes. That's what it comes down to for me...I know Snyder will always be involved but if Vinny is going to be his right hand man then he needs to be judged on results only just like every other person Snyder has hired & fired.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Hiring a GM might work for us, but so might the current arrangement. Jerry Jones, as owner, has done quite well lately even though he is just as involved in team affairs as Dan Snyder.

I'm still convinced that most of our woes are attributable to our inability to find a quality quarterback. If JC develops into an above average QB, I think most of our woes will fall by the wayside.

And Jerry Jones is not constantly being bashed for the way he does things; Why? because his team wins. The reason Snyder takes the heat is because his teams have not been winners on a consistent basis. If the Redskins were winning [the way fans like to see them win] all of this talk about Snyder would be an afterthought.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As for Williams deserving it: He HAD been a good lieutenant. He did a fine job with the resources at hand. More importantly, last year, after a horrible prior year, Williams was willing to come in and, essentially, tear up the prior year's play book, stop forcing a system that wasn't necessarily suited to his players, and adapt so that, rather than his brilliance, the players abilities shined through. In other words, Williams as coach showed some essential growth by adapting to his players rather than having his players adapt (totally) to him. As a result, his coaching improved.

As for Snyder and William not getting along with people, or with each other: IMO, Snyder has NOT shown this ability to subordinate his will. Marty may have gutted the team and lost five, he then turned the team around and made a solid run. Even though Marty was turning things around from camp Norv, Snyder, in your words, "was uncomfortable". Why? B/c Marty was running the show, not Little Danny. Now, again, faced with a coach who had shown the ability to adapt to his talent and who had the backing of his players - Danny essentially is unable to subordinate his will to that of the "football man".

Bottom line - Danny, as Jerry Jones and Al Davis, wants to run the show. It's his property and he's the one who payed millions for it, but, until he has success, he will catch hell.

Part of the problem with his obsession to succeed is that it appears to be a need to succeed his way. "His way" has not been a success, and, because of its lack of success, he has little credibility w/ fans or the national press when continues to pursue it.

B/c I am a fan, I hope he succeeds - not b/c I wish any particular goodwill to Little Danny, but b/c I am sick of my team being mediocre.

Awesome post, good points in the parallel between Marty & GW.

One footnote to add, it's interesting to look back at Spurrier's time here w/regards to personel. All those journeymen gators came here, and I would doubt that was coincidence. Spurrier at least had a lot of input. So, while marty was canned maybe because he had too much control, the danny has shown signs of giving in to the people he hires. Maybe this time around he's really giving Vinny a lot of authority.

I think you're right overall, but we're still learning danny's "way" just as he is.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by celts32

I don't have a problem with the Redskins structure or Danny's involvement. My concern is that Vinny may not be qualified for his job and he is the only person who has not been made accountable for the results of the team since Snyder has owned the team. Maybe this promotion for Vinny will finally make him accountable...if they win he stays and if they lose he goes. That's what it comes down to for me...I know Snyder will always be involved but if Vinny is going to be his right hand man then he needs to be judged on results only just like every other person Snyder has hired & fired.

This year will be a clearer picture as to what Vinny can do for us. In seasons past, it wasn't always clear as to who was actually controlling personnel. At times we didn't always know to give Gibbs or Vinny credit. Likewise, we didn't know to blame Gibbs or Vinny. We always assumed Gibbs made the right moves and Vinny the wrong ones. Maybe that's because it's so easy to blame VC. Still, as things stands for ol' Vinny now, it's all up to him. If we make some very bad choices in player personnel this year, we can sure as the world blame VC.

[Skinny Tee]

Simply put, Daniel Snyder is the Franchise Terminator


He's running the Skins like Skynet and were not going to be safe until someone like John Conner unseats him. Somebody safe us!

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

And Jerry Jones is not constantly being bashed for the way he does things; Why? because his team wins. The reason Snyder takes the heat is because his teams have not been winners on a consistent basis. If the Redskins were winning [the way fans like to see them win] all of this talk about Snyder would be an afterthought.

One of the reasons, or maybe, THE reason his team has had winning seasons 3 of the last 5 years is he hired a football guy & gave him a lot of authority - the tuna. JJ has mellowed a lot too & has learned from his mistakes.

Don't forget he's been on the job 10 years longer than danny & is a couple decades+ older. The Danny will mellow & learn too. Either that or sell!!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

This year will be a clearer picture as to what Vinny can do for us. In seasons past, it wasn't always clear as to who was actually controlling personnel. At times we didn't always know to give Gibbs or Vinny credit. Likewise, we didn't know to blame Gibbs or Vinny. We always assumed Gibbs made the right moves and Vinny the wrong ones. Maybe that's because it's so easy to blame VC. Still, as things stands for ol' Vinny now, it's all up to him. If we make some very bad choices in player personnel this year, we can sure as the world blame VC.

True but it's not just the Gibbs years, save for when Marty fired him Vinny has had some level of input every year in what has been a pretty mediocre tenure. Many people have been hired and fired since then...I would just like Dan to hold Vinny to the same level of expectations that he holds everyone else. I think the perception is that he's not because he has survived every coaching change without ever getting a finger pointed at him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

And Jerry Jones is not constantly being bashed for the way he does things; Why? because his team wins. The reason Snyder takes the heat is because his teams have not been winners on a consistent basis. If the Redskins were winning [the way fans like to see them win] all of this talk about Snyder would be an afterthought.

This has been discussed in other threads recently but in this decade the Cowboys aren't significantly better than the Redskins regarding wins and losses, and they haven't won a playoff game in forever either. Jones won back in the day with JJ, who let's face it had a great eye for talent and was mainly responsible for their success.

I honestly don't think the disdain for Snyder will ever completely go away. It comes and goes, but it seems whenever there's an opportunity to pounce, people jump all over him.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

One of the reasons, or maybe, THE reason his team has had winning seasons 3 of the last 5 years is he hired a football guy & gave him a lot of authority - the tuna. JJ has mellowed a lot too & has learned from his mistakes.

Don't forget he's been on the job 10 years longer than danny & is a couple decades+ older. The Danny will mellow & learn too. Either that or sell!!

You make a good point, sometimes I think we forget just how young Snyder is, and he's learning on the fly. He has had three playoff apearences in the eight yrs. he's owned the team, that's more than some owners can boast that have been owners' much longer than he has.

[Skinny Tee]

Other Names - Redskins Insider

It seems the only candidate left is the one that is going to be selected by default.

This is just Fasseltastic!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This has been discussed in other threads recently but in this decade the Cowboys aren't significantly better than the Redskins regarding wins and losses, and they haven't won a playoff game in forever either. Jones won back in the day with JJ, who let's face it had a great eye for talent and was mainly responsible for their success.

I honestly don't think the disdain for Snyder will ever completely go away. It comes and goes, but it seems whenever there's an opportunity to pounce, people jump all over him.

I agree Matty, and just can't help but wonder why Snyder takes so much blame for the way he operates when in reality it's so simular to the way JJ run the Cowboys.

You're probably correct when it comes to the disdain for Snyder though, and every now and then it apears to be open season.