Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

i hate when they rate Montana as number one all time. He played in the best system and had the best cast around him. Same as Steve Young..Hall of Famer?Yes...Great player?Yes but not number 1

Every great QB had a great cast around them. I think that's a pretty lame argument.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

i hate when they rate Montana as number one all time. He played in the best system and had the best cast around him. Same as Steve Young..Hall of Famer?Yes...Great player?Yes but not number 1

That's the thing with a great QB, if they are truely great they make everyone around them appear better than they are. One exception to this in my opinion is Jerry Rice, where he made other QB's look better than they were I am sure that there are other exceptions...

[jamf]

I'm surprised to see Steve Young so high on the rankings.

I liked watching him play and he was a great QB but I don't think he ranks with the greatest of all time. If he would've stayed in Tampa, He would've been the next JIM ZORN!!!

Some guys that should be mentioned with the greats that I haven't seen mentioned:
Fran Tarkenten
YA Tittle
Dan Fouts

Favre is TOP 5 all time in my book, Probably TOP 2 only behind Montana.

[redskinsfanatic]

in the modern era-aka the last 25 years,i'd take FAVRE over montanna,young,or aikman.i put elway 2nd.best qb to me that i have ever seen?roger staubach.
i saw the redskins hit,beat,and smack him around,but 9 out of 10 times,he got up and found a way to win.i hate the dallas cowboys with a passion,but i respect the hell out of stauchbach and how tough he was!i'd put bart starr and johnny unitas up there as well!

[budw38]

I have the solution to this debate ,,, we get the top 5 on this list , have them play for " the ol' ball coach " @ S. Carolina < he likes to shuffle his qb's by series > , and we will see who is # 1 LOL !!!!!

[Stuck in TX]

Favre had no one around him hardly ever, and was one of the most fun QB's to watch regardless of if he was winning. As far as talent goes, I have never seen the tenacity, toughness, and raw talent in any other QB. I say #1 has to go to Montana, #2 Unitas, and #3 Favre, with Marino coming in at a very very very close 4. Elway is somewhere in the top 10, but IMO is overrated to certain degree. I hope Favre does not really retire. I know its "official" and all but I have a feeling he may be back before September...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

Favre had no one around him hardly ever, and was one of the most fun QB's to watch regardless of if he was winning. As far as talen goes, I have never seen the tenacity, toughness, and raw talent in any other QB. I say #1 has to go to Montana, #2 Unitas, and #3 Favre, with Marino coming in at a very very very close 4. Elway is somewhere in the top 10, but IMO is overrated to certain degree. I hope Favre does not really retire. I know its "official" and all but I have a feeling he may be back before September...

I am hoping that too...right now he's spent, but when he sees the team he played with for 16 years taking the field without him, and knowing he can still play, it's going to hurt.
I agree with you, and while that is not my exact top 4, I can understand it completely.
I think Otto Graham needs to be mentioned more in this thread...I think only myself and angry pointed him out. He was by far the best QB of his era and went to the championship game 10 out of 10 seasons and he won 7 of them. He lead the league in passing 5 out of 10 years too. He must have been fun to watch.

[MTK]

Young and Favre above Montana? Young #1 overall? Yikes.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Young and Favre above Montana? Young #1 overall? Yikes.

I agree with you on the Young #1 overall, but me and jsarno already had that discussion and we pretty much agreed to disagree...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Young and Favre above Montana? Young #1 overall? Yikes.

Well, I don't see, objectively, how Montana could go above Young. They did play in the same system, and Montana had the unianimously better coach to play for, and Young's numbers totally abuse Montana's. Yeah, there's a small era adjustment in there to be accounted for, but it's not even close. I know Jsarno didn't, but I had Montana above Favre.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I don't see, objectively, how Montana could go above Young. They did play in the same system, and Montana had the unianimously better coach to play for, and Young's numbers totally abuse Montana's. Yeah, there's a small era adjustment in there to be accounted for, but it's not even close. I know Jsarno didn't, but I had Montana above Favre.

Montana gets the nod over Young because of his Performance's in the post-season . Joe had the comebacks < lil sob almost pulled out the 83 championship game vs Skins > , fair or not many will remember Young for some of the games in which he did not pull out the miracle win . Not saying that is fair , most happen to remember the comebacks . I would say that the defense's in the 80's , Bears , NYG , Skins and Eagles were better and more consistant than the F/A depleted Defense's of the 90's . Montana did not have as many HOF's on offence the first two SB teams as both he and Young had in the late 80's & 90's .Both HOF's , If I had to pick one with 80 yds to go / 2 minutes on the clock , I take " Joe Cool". The same reason most would choose Vinatarie over Vanderjacht to make a game winning kick with 1 second left . I'am sure this is a hot topic in the bay area every football season .

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Sal Paolantonio has a great take on this:

ESPN - Overhyped: Favre didn't deliver in second half of career - NFL

[Defensewins]

IMO rankings eventually becomes a popularity contest. I like Farve, HOF'er yes, Top 10 of all time yes, excellent QB yes. Greatest of all time NO, not even close.
He is great human being, he is a fairly humble guy, from a small Louisana town; fisherman, father died before a game, wife beat cancer. All great stories!
The reason I do not rate him top 5 is because of 2005 (4-12) season 20TD to 29 Int.
2006 was not that great either.
He failed to maintain at least an average level of play while the rest of his team sucked. He was prone to turnover and mistakes, getting impatient and forcing the ball into double and triple coverage. That is not a sign of the GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME as some of you are describing him. He even personally blew in the Giants NFC Championship game this year by AGAIN forcing it to a covered player. His impatience is a weakness the greatest of all time QB should not have. Which why he only owns one SB ring. Keep in mind his worst season did not come early in his career due to inexperience. It came in his prime.
He is an awesome QB and person, but his amzing stats are largely due to the fact he played more games at QB than any other player. He threw more passes than anyone else. That does not make him the greatest.

[celts32]

He's anywhere from 10-12 I would say. He was a little to careless with the football to rank any higher on the list of all timers though IMO...great talent though

[Defensewins]

IMO MY Top 10:

1) Sammy Baugh Best athlete to ever play the position. Singlehandedly revolutionized the position - playing OFF/DEF/ST, and was better than his contemporaries as a qb by a degree that is historically unmatched.

2) Joe Montana- Great field leader. Smart guy. Knew where to throw the ball. Very well schooled player.

3) Bart Starr - Same as Montana

4) Johnny Unitas - say no more

5)Terry Bradshaw - first 4 SB winner at QB. Brought his team from behind in both SB's vs two very very strong Dallas teams. His throws to Swann and Stallworth in the big game were incredible. I do not care about stats or that he was on a great team. This guy won the big games.

6) Roger Staubach - If it weren't for the Steelers, Staubach would have won several more SB's. Tough guy/great leader/Winner

7) Steve Young statistically a great QB. Overlooked: rushed for over 5000 yards, averaged 6 yards carry and scored 52 rushing TD.s and still a great throwing QB. Five seasons of over 100 Qb rating and five season at or near near 70% completion percentage. Insane numbers and a SB winner!

8) Tom Brady - Youngest 3 Sb winner. 7th round pick. Not expected to make the NFL.

9) Brett Farve - Longest career, one SB.

10) John Elway - Great athlete.

11) Peyton Manning - Incredible QB. Story still being written, will move way up before career is over.

12) Dan Marino
13) Dan Fouts
13) Otto Grahm
15) Sonny Jurgensen